DNA Analysis of Smeja "Steak" From Sierra Kills  - So is this over with now?

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Here is a summary of the report by TCC's own Dale Drinnon

"From this it seems definite that the same sample analyzed had two sets of mitochondrial DNA, one human of presumably European ancestry and the other female black bear, with the bear DNA predominant and the sex of the human DNA donor not determined, but most likely from more than one human donor because parts of the sequences do not match up between tested samples.

I would definitely go for contamination in this case. And as one commentator has noted, there is no way to know for certain that this steak came from whatever it was Justin had shot at, it was found later when Smeja and others went back to look for remains after he had left the bodies in the first place. But one thing is certain, the sample does NOT represent a crossbreeding of a human and a bear!

 Best Wishes, Dale D. "

So we can now assume that Smeja shot a bear and the sample was handled incorrectly. So did Smeja know he shot a bear? What about the polygraph test? Was it all a hoax or is there more to the story?

For me at this point I will assume this was all a hoax. I wonder if any of the samples were passed on to the Ketchum Study? If so what was the results? According to some people they claim Ketchum had a sample and she said the sample from Smeja was a sasquatch, which if true will bring that study under more fire.

I'm glad the results of Smeja's steak were finally presented, but I still have questions about it all? What if the Ketchum study calls it s squatch? Then we will have 2 very different DNA results for this sample.

Well here is the long and short of it...NOTHING will do beside a bigfoot dead body period. The body would have to be shown on TV everywhere. I personally would prefer some other way but it is just not going to happen. All this DNA stuff is just not cutting it right now. The more I read about these "kills" and "DNA studies"  the less confidence I have in them.

It seems at this point bigfoot DNA samples are not any better than a blurry photo, except I can understand a blurry blobsquatch photo better than all the DNA jargon.

So to me the Sierra Kills story is a bust and over with, but we still have the Ketchum Study, The Tent Video and the Oxford DNA study. So we still have a little hope I guess, but I will not be holding my breath. I expect more disappointments, untruths and falsehoods....I hope I'm wrong.

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Justin Smeja, a hunter from Sacramento, CA was out bear hunting near Gold Lake with his friend (the driver) back in October 2010. He tells how he shot and killed two Bigfoots.

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Dr. Melba Ketchum

A drawing of the male Bigfoot killed at the Sierra Kills from an upcoming book by Justin Smeja about the incident which will contain many more great photos and drawings like this

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Sierra Kills recovery scene was videotaped!
I can now report in breaking news that Smeja and the driver actually videotaped the recovery of what must look like a small piece of flesh from the scene of the Sierra Kills. They were instructed to do this by Wally Hersom. Wally also showed them how to do professional evidence collection. The sample was collected in such a way that neither man handled the sample. The tape shows them finding and collecting the sample and there is closeup footage of the Bigfoot steak itself.
This videotape will apparently be released at an appropriate time. It will probably show a small piece of around 2 pounds in weight. I realize that that does not go along with my view of the Sierra Kills recovery as retaining 16 pounds, but I am still sticking to my story. There may have been more than one recovery attempt.

Two pounds or 16 pounds of Bigfoot recovered from the Sierra Kills?
Bart Cutino did mention something that we have reported, but he did not name us. He said reports that Justin Smeja and the driver recovered 15 pounds of Bigfoot from the scene are what he called “ridiculous.” This is the typical view, and Smeja himself says they recovered 2 pounds.
However, I stand by my original claim and now think it was 15-16 pounds. How strongly do I believe this? Let’s put it this way. I know for a fact that they recovered 16 pounds off one or the other or both of the dead Bigfoots, ok? How’s that for being sure? I don’t like to discuss this much because Justin and I disagree on this. Justin and I have agreed to disagree on this, and we don’t bring it up or talk about it. I am not sure if the real story on body recovery will ever come out. People may be investigating this incident for years to come.

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Justin Smeja

TCC - Robert Lindsay recently Interviewed Justin Smeja and It was a very good read and Robert as many good questions and seemed to push for answers.
Several questions stand out concerning Dr Melba Ketchum and Dr Jeff Meldrum.
Here is a couple of the post from the Q & A


RL: Do you talk to Dr. Melba Ketchum (who is running the DNA study on his sample)?

JS: You know, I hardly talk to her at all. I think I have spoken with her two whole times. And they’ve hardly told me anything. They don’t communicate with me at all. But after I did that radio show, Ketchum called me and got mad at me for doing the show. She said I was jeopardizing the study.

RL: She more or less told you to STFU?

JS: Pretty much, yes. No more talking to the media. She said, “Why did you do this? You can’t do this sort of thing until we publish! No more radio shows!” I thought it was strange because I did not give up any privileged information, but that was her attitude.

TCC - And Later Justin talked about Jeff Meldrum and here is what was said.


RL: Is there anything you are mad about or upset about regarding this whole business?

JS: Well, the one thing that really gets me is so many people don’t believe me. All these people keep coming up to me and acting all friendly and saying, “Tell me your story. Tell me your story.” So I befriend them and tell them whatever they want to know from me, and then they leave, and a while later, I hear that they are running around saying that they don’t believe anything I say and what a big liar I am.
When we went to the Sierra Kills site, Dr. Jeff Meldrum and Dr. John Mioczynski were there, and they were very, very friendly. We were there for three days camping out, and everyone was saying, “We believe you. We believe you. Yes, yes, yes.” Then most of them turned around as soon as I was gone and said what a big fat liar I was and how they don’t believe me. This is what Meldrum and Mioczynski did to me. Especially Meldrum. He was really two-faced to me. Everyone says he’s such a great guy, but I don’t think so. I don’t like him very much.
All that two-faced stuff – it’s distressing. It really gets on my nerves.

Robert really covered a lot of bases here and ask some tough on point questions. Hats off to him and Justin for the interview.Thanks Guys.

To read the whole interview, and I recommend you do, go over to Robert's blog by clicking the link
Robert Lindsay interviews Justin Smeja

There is some other good reading on Roberts blog at the moment about bigfoot and his recent spat with Dr. Meldrum. Have a look.
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Tom

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Justin Smeja Interview - The guy who Killed 2 bigfoots.
I have added some pictures to the interview, some pictures are not related to the story but are just for visual aid...so to speak.
Do you believe his story? so do and some don't. It's interesting none the less.
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Rick Dyer offers Justin Smeja 1 million dollars for any part of the killed bigfoot. Rick also says that one of Justin's family members told him it was a hoax and that she can't believe people are buy his story.

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Justin Smeja’s shot at the female Bigfoot. In the case of the Sierra Kills, there was a conflict between Smeja’s report that he shot the animal in the front and his Taxidermy.net paper, which we leaked, where he said that he shot it in the “rear shoulder.” Turns out that “rear shoulder” is just hunter speak for a shot to a four legged animal that is often a heart or lungs shot.
Smeja informed me that the shot was indeed to the front, or really to the side. The bullet penetrated below the left breast and then went sideways. He theorized that it penetrated both lungs.
Once again we are vindicated. In our initial report, we said that the adult Bigfoot was shot through both lungs. We took a lot of heat for that comment, but in the end, we were right once again.

[via robertlindsay.wordpress.com/]

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What you must believe if you don’t believe in the Sierra Kills story. The Sierra Kills story says that two Bigfoots were shot and killed in California’s Sierra Nevada Mountains on October 8, 2010. It is known that afterwards, the man who shot the Bigfoots sent in a slice of hairy, human-looking thigh (the Bigfoot steak) to Ketchum’s DNA project. It is known that the thigh initially tested positive on MtDNA as “100% human.” Later rumors said that the thigh had tested as Bigfoot on nuclear DNA via eight separate labs.
A very large number of people, Bigfoot believers and skeptics both, think that the story is utterly ridiculous. Let us leave aside the rumors about nuclear DNA for a moment. It’s well known that Ketchum herself told observers that the thigh tested 100% human on MtDNA.

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Justin Smeja and Robert Lindsay. Smeja and I are now talking. I find him honest and forthright. And compared to so many of the hyper-competitive, ruthless, cutthroat backstabbers in Bigfootery, I actually think Smeja is a very nice guy. He’s not your average treacherous Bigfoot kook.
He’s just a regular guy who didn’t even believe in Bigfoot who got dragged into this mess against his own will. He has now been dragged headfirst into a whirlwind. I don’t think he’s out for fame or fortune, but like anyone, he wouldn’t mind making a bit of cash. To me, he’s just a regular working guy, unpretentious, doesn’t put on airs, a bit of a redneck, deeply religious, who just gets up every morning and goes off to do his job. Very down to Earth and a quite decent fellow.
Some sources have suggested that Smeja has narcissistic or sociopathic tendencies. At least the narcissism is epidemic in the Bigfoot world, not so sure about the sociopathy. In an extended conversation, I did not observe any extreme narcissism in Smeja, and I understand this problem very well. I also did not detect any sociopathic tendencies, but admittedly that can be hard to pick up on. If anything, he may be a bit young, trusting and naive.

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The Tom Biscardi Show. Richard Stubstad and I were guests on the Tom Biscardi radio show tonite. Discussion topics were Bigfoot DNA and the Sierra Kills incident. Biscardi is a very controversial character in the Bigfoot world, widely hated by many who regard him as a hoaxer. I do not believe that Biscardi is a hoaxer. He’s simply a guy with an average IQ who has a very strong need to believe in things and gets taken for a ride a lot by hoaxers or folks who just don’t have anything.
He’s competitive, like most in this biz, and he’s out to discover Bigfoot and beat everyone else. He also has a large ego like many in the biz. He can be very gregarious, and he can also come off like a tough macho hardass. Well, he’s Italian after all. He also talks smack about most of the other players in the scene, but he’s not the only one who does that.
Biscardi is a Las Vegas showman and has precisely the type of personality that such a person would be expected to have.

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Update From Robert Lindsay Blog - more on data results & Sierra Kills!
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Bigfoot News November 28, 2011

Bigfoot nuclear DNA: The speculation and nonsense that our previous post about Bigfoot nuclear DNA generated is quite extraordinary, but not unexpected. Part of it is my fault, as I did not understand this issue very well when I first wrote it. But neither did my sources either.

After a week or so thinking it over, I have started to develop some new theories about the nuclear DNA. I will also deal below with critiques leveled at the findings that I reported. Many were taken from skeptic sites, and they were such terrible critiques it is embarrassing. Of all people, skeptics ought to know better.

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Sierra Kills driver speaks up!
On October 8, 2010, what went down near Gold Lake CA on that day was something two people will never forget. Two bear hunters pulled up to a road between a canyon and saw a Bigfoot standing right in front of them. It was odd looking at first because they thought it was a bear waving its arms in the air. The driver of the vehicle pulled out his binoculars and couldn't believe what he was seeing. "Yes I had my binoculars that is what made it even more strange they were set up for classing mountain sides so it was fuzzy at first but when I cleared them it felt like my heart sank and I did not realize what I was looking at I would say it took a double take but I couldn't take my eyes off of it," the driver said.
But for whatever reason, his friend Justin pulled the trigger on the beast and it crashed into the brush near the side of the road. Two of her babies came out onto the road chasing after their mother on all four, this was unlike their mother who ran on two legs, bipedal. And for some unknown reason, maybe for the fun of it or for the fear it, Justin shot one of "the babies" as it was looking for its mother. Justin walked up to grab the baby as it dies in his arms. He realizes what he had just done. The driver was furious and both left the scene of the crime. It was a crime, that's how some people would describe this horrific event after hearing their story.

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Sierra Bigfoot shooting overview -
*hunter 1= Justin Smeja
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This incident occurred in October of 2010 in Northern California. The persons involved will be known as Hunter 1, and Hunter 2. Hunter 1 is the shooter. Hunter 2 was driving the vehicle.
While driving down a dirt road looking for bear, hunter 1 and hunter 2 were noticing large piles of feces along their route. They commented on the amount they were seeing, and at the strange nature of it. They were having a rough time figuring out what was responsible. To big for Cougar, and didn't appear to be bear. It is important to note that they were hunting at considerable elevation. It's also important to note that they were legally hunting, with appropriate bear tags in a legal hunting area.
As the truck came around a corner they both noticed a large hair covered figure standing approx 80 to 100 yards in a meadow off to the side of the road. ( On the Bigfoot forum I previously said it was off to the left, that was my mistake, it was actually off to the right of the road.) The figure was standing on two legs with it's arms above it's head. It took roughly eight to ten steps toward the vehicle. The arms were moving a little either because it was walking, or it was intensionally swaying them. It was dirty grey in color with some black mixed in. The figure was very large. Hunter 1 decided it had to be a bear. It was completely hair covered, and from that distance good definition was impossible. Hunter 1 got out of the truck and leaned against the door aiming his riffle at the figure. He does admit that it looked strange but in his mind it had to be a bear. He did not believe in Bigfoot at that time. Hunter 2 was now looking at the figure and said " I'm not sure that's a bear". The shot was fired hitting it's mark in the chest region. The figure went down. It got back up immediately and started running on two legs, and then on all fours. It went from two legs to four legs a couple of times before it left view. A short time later they were very sure they heard it crash into the brush, although they never did confirm this. They couldn't believe what they were seeing.
They exited the truck and started across the meadow still wondering what just happened. When they reached the spot where it was standing they noticed movement in the nearby brush. Two smaller figures appeared from the brush and started circling around their position. The smaller ones were totally hair covered, but were much more black in color. They would go back and forth from two legs to four. They were exhibiting some type of chatter back and forth to each other. Hunter 1 and Hunter 2 described them as a cross between a gorilla and a bear. They said that they had very large heads, almost too big for their bodies. They also stated that the little ones had a much flatter face than a bear. They spent as much time on two legs as they did on four. The smaller figures began getting closer and closer, at on point, just a few yards. One of them climbed up a small outcrop above hunter 1. Hunter 1 started to get the feeling he might be attacked. He made a quick decision, turned and fired. The figure went down and rolled right down to Hunter 1's location. He lifted it up, and then placed it in the brush. They then decided that they needed to leave, now.
I, Derek Randles was put in touch with the hunters about two weeks later. I interviewed them both by phone extensively, and separately. I found that their story matched perfectly with no inconsistency's. I could also tell that they were natural and not rehearsed. Consequently, I've spent many many hour talking with hunter 1 one about all aspects of the story, and I completely believe him.
I then urged hunter 1 to return to the site and look around for any evidence from the incident. Upon returning they were greeted with roughly two feet of snow. The little one was not found. They concentrated their efforts in the area where they thought they heard the larger one go down. After digging though the snow for many hours they were able to find a piece of flesh, greasy fat and hair, but no body. The flesh and hair matched the color of the larger one exactly. White gray hair with some black in it.
I then asked him to forward a small piece of the flesh to Dr. Ketchum to have it analyzed for the current DNA study she's involved in. I cannot speak to the results at this time due to an NDA I've signed, but I will say that I 100% believe the story. Read into that what you will.
The site has been under snow since last November. Further study of the site is ongoing. To date, no bodies have been recovered or found. If and when a body or remains is discovered, the appropriate authority's will be notified.
The Olympic Project and Dr. Melba Ketchum do not advocate or condone the killing of a Sasquatch to advance science. That being said, if this sample can help with species verification and protection, then some good can come from a unfortunate incident. It's also important to note that this is but one of over a hundred samples the Olympic Project has contributed to this study.
Updates on this story will be available on this web site, and the story in it's entirety will be told by Hunter 1 when the time is right.
Thank You,
Derek Randles



TCH - This was the first of the long story as told by Derek Randles.


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Justin Smeja reveals more details - "I personally havent said much at all about the location of the kill. Lots of assumptions have been made and I've remained quiet about it. well here you go it was by Gold lake, CA. Maybe it was 2 miles away maybe it was 10 miles away. It really doesnt matter at this point, as time goes on I will release the exact location of the kill site more then likely in the book." Smeja said.
Smeja also commented on the idea of prosecution for killing bigfoot, he said  "no i do not worry about being prosecuted for this. There is a lot of people out there who TELL ME I should be and theres others who have said I'm ''shakin in my boots'' about the whole thing. Thats not the case. Yes something terrible has happened. I'm not making light of the situation BUT really.... I've seen the justice system and how it really works... This would be ruled as nothing more then a hunting accident. People get killed every year in CA while deer hunting with their best friend because somebody took a stupid shot they shouldnt have. Nothing ever happens to the best friend."
Details about the bigfoots -

Bigfoot Youth -- “rounded” mouths like humans, with no tusks or fangs, enlarged but not long canines, similar to a gorilla’s.
Bigfoot Youth -- black hands, with palms padded like a dog’s paw, with fingers of same proportion to palm as in humans.
Bigfoot Adult and Bigfoot Youth -- omnivores.
Bigfoot Youth and Bigfoot Adult --- smarter than any other animals in the wild.
Bigfoot Youth --- around 40 lbs.
Bigfoot Youth --- communicated, “talked” like humans, in the vocal way of the deaf, with no ape like grunts.
Bigfoot Adult and Bigfoot Youth --- “Bad body order x 12 mixed with a coyote.”
Bigfoot Youth --- eyes like humans.
Bigfoot Youth --- looked very different than the Bigfoot Adult.
Bigfoot Youth --- dark brown hair.
Bigfoot Youth --- appeared unafraid yet worried and panicky.
Bigfoot Adult --- color of a pale coyote.
Bigfoot Adult --- no “cone-head”.
Bigfoot Adult --- “8’ tall and was hairy and walked like a man.”
Bigfoot Youth --- facially “somewhere in the middle between human ape and boxer [dog].”
Bigfoot Adult --- compared to Roger Patterson’s film subject, “it was so much like that but totally totally different and not even close in appearance” and it looked “as different from patty as chuck norris and the cable guy.”
Bigfoot Adult --- 600 lbs.
Bigfoot Adult --- not muscular looking, not fat, not as wide as generally portrayed in recreations.
Bigfoot Adult --- when shot, it ran on two legs, and then on all fours, then on two legs, then on all fours before it left view. (this part was in Randles’ recounting).

TCH - So it seems they are sticking with the story and we are getting more details. I just can't wait to it all comes out.


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(TCC -This is coming from the Robert Lindsay blog,you can read even more there)

Update on the Sierra Shootings saga - Here is what happened: Justin Smeja apparently shot and killed two Bigfoots in Plumas County, California, in October 2010. All evidence seems to point to the theory that this shooting did actually occur. However, my sources do not believe that Smeja retained the bodies on that day.... The first one was shot for whatever reason, and the second was shot to get evidence. Smeja told my source that he “hid” the little one. This lines up with his continuing testimony on Bigfoot forums that he buried it with branches.

As Smeja, by his own admission, was in no condition to go back to the site right away, who went back to get the bodies? My source says that the Olympic Project went back with him. After all, they had a team all set to go almost right away after they heard of the shootings. So some group went back there, and they located at least 15 pounds of Bigfoot flesh, by Smeja’s own admission on his forum posts. Smeja’s piece that he sent to Ketchum weighed about 2 pounds. That was 1/4 of what he says he took. He and the driver split the Bigfoot slice. So the slice weighed 15 pounds in total.

My source feels that Smeja has two whole bodies. He’s felt this way from the very start. He said that Smeja and his friends like to engage in some sort of fishing, possibly commercial fishing, for sharks. He says that means that they have huge freezers to store the sharks in. The source said that Smeja has put the bodies on ice in these freezers, possibly after chopping them up.

The question is that if Smeja has a body or bodies, why has he not gone public with them? The source said that Smeja was put in contact with the Olympic Project, who attempted to contain the bodies and prevent their release from upstaging the Ketchum project that they were involved in. They did this by getting parts of the bodies involved in Ketchum’s DNA project.

Derek Randles also browbeat Smeja for a long time that he was going to go to prison for killing the Bigfoots. Therefore, Smeja was prevented from releasing the bodies and short-circuiting Ketchum’s project. Further, by involving the bodies in Ketchum’s project, Smeja is all tied up in legal NDA’s about the Sierra Kills and apparently the bodies too, assuming they exist.

If he goes public with the bodies or any of the flesh, he is conceivably violating multiple NDA’s and can be sued. So he’s screwed. He could have been the guy who discovered Bigfoot, but now he’s relegated to a secondary role.

Why did my source go pubic with the Sierra Kills information? He said that he put Smeja in contact with Randles with the spoken objective of having the bodies released to science. Randles was on board with this. However, as soon as Randles got in contact with Smeja, all communication was cut off with the source.

The source felt that Randles had screwed him. Instead of releasing the bodies or their parts to science, the Olympic Project had secreted them away as part of the Ketchum Project. The source was angry, so he released the Sierra Shootings story to the media.

The source says that this is part of the race to discover Bigfoot. By tying Smeja up with NDA’s and wrapping him in with Ketchum, Smeja was prevented from being the guy who discovers Bigfoot. Instead, those honors go to Ketchum, who the OP is tied in with.

Smeja’s personality. We don’t want to beat this dead horse too much because we’ve already been over this in the past.

A source said that when Smeja told him about shooting the adult and child Bigfoot, he told it as if it were happening to someone else. He was that distant from the events. I suggested that may be a defense, but the source said that it shows that Smeja has a cold personality. “He likes to kill things,” as the source put it. The source noted that most people would be unable to discuss something like that without getting upset, but Smeja acted as if he was not bothered at all.

The source also said that it is always Randles and never Smeja who says that Smeja feels terrible about the shootings. The source said, about Smeja, “The guy has no conscience!”

All of this information is not particularly relevant except to show that Smeja is precisely the sort of individual to carry out the Sierra Kills.

Justin Smeja has been pointing to drawings of Bigfoots online and showing precise drawings of exactly what the larger one’s face looked like. The source said he could not have done that unless he was staring right into the thing’s face from three feet away.

TCH- Like i say there is much more on Robert Lindsay Blog, I'm just tried of all the rumors about the EP,OP,DNA and the Shootings....Just release the stupid videos,pictures and info already!
Read Robert Lindsay blog about this:
http://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2011/10/14/bigfoot-news-october-14-2011/



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