Monday, December 31, 2012

Bullying From Dr. Ketchum? (Updated)

Actual Photo used with permission, No Reuse without permission from Alex Evans 


Bullying From Dr. Ketchum?
On Threatening A Noted Sasquatch Artist
By TCC Team Member Dorraine Fisher

It’s been rumored that Dr. Ketchum has been throwing her weight around the Bigfoot community for quite some time but has managed to keep that side of herself under the radar. But a recent incident involving noted Sasquatch artist, Alex Evans, may prove a little harder to hide. Apparently the doctor has threatened her with legal action over some artwork Alex did for another client. And these threats took place via email.

It all started on August 15, 2010, when Alex posted an art piece called “Come On” on the Oregon Bigfoot website. It was a portrait of Bigfoot based on the recollections of an Ohio eye-witness. I verified the piece myself and the date it was posted through Oregon Bigfoot.

Almost exactly a year later, on August 13, 2011, Thom Cantrall sent Sally Ramey samples of Alex’s work. According to a redacted e-mail shared with Alex, Sally recommended to Dr. Ketchum that Alex be asked to do artwork for the DNA project. The date of the recommendation was August 17, 2011 and it included samples of Alex’s work … “Come On” among them.

In September of 2011, the doctor sent what Alex describes as “a great photo” of Bigfoot to use in developing artwork for the DNA project. The doctor claimed ownership of this photo and its origin is unknown, so it can’t be shown here. Alex loosely based a drawing on the photo, simply entitled “Ketchum Head,” but due to the photo’s low resolution, she did have to significantly interpret facial features.
In the summer of 2012, the two women had a disagreement regarding payment for two paintings Dr. Ketchum had commissioned from Alex in 2011. Seeing that this could cause huge problems for the project including a need to do a complete redesign of the websites on which many of Alex’s works were featured, Sally negotiated a truce between them. But during the disagreement, Alex, a cancer survivor, had revealed to Dr. Ketchum she was on a very small, limited income.

And Dr. Ketchum appears to be trying to take advantage of that fact.

On December 20, 2012, Alex informed the doctor that she no longer had permission to use any of her artwork for the project, and the following is the email discussion between the two women:

Melba,
I saw today's post on the Bigfoot Evidence blog that your website has been hacked, and that my artwork still appears on your project website. Since you gave me such a hard time over paying for the two paintings you commissioned from me well over a year ago, I no longer want my art associated with you. I hereby demand that you remove all of my art from the Sasquatch Genome Project's website. In addition, I demand that my art be removed from the Sasquatch Preservation Alliance's website. I also demand that you not use the art I prepared for your designer clothing label, Authentic Sasquatch Wildwear, as well as the various designs I did for your t-shirt sales program. You no longer have my permission to use any of my art for any reason whatsoever. Remember, I never signed over my copyright, or any document, giving you exclusive or limited permission, or one of your NDAs.
Alex

Dr. Ketchum responded that same day (unrelated phrases omitted for brevity):

Alex,
we are not using anything of yours, nor do we want to do so … we have done new designs for everything. … To my knowledge, my "website" has not been hacked.
MSK

Then on December 29, 2012, Dr. Ketchum suddenly notified Alex that she did not have permission to use, “Come On,” a piece to which Dr. Ketchum has no legal claim:

Alex,

One other thing, the drawing that you did from the photo I own the copyright on, entitled “come on”, you do not have my permission to sell or use it in any way.
Thanks,
Melba

Also on December 29, 2012, Alex responded and explained copyright law to Dr. Ketchum. It laid out that copyright on a photo does not automatically extend to an artist’s interpretation of that photo. Not that this really matters in this case, since “Come On” was done more than a year BEFORE Alex ever even saw Dr. Ketchum’s photo. The copyright information is omitted for brevity here, but in Alex’s response, she addresses, “Come On,” specifically, which is the core of the issue.

Melba,
….I also think you are confused about the piece you mentioned in your e-mail. “Come On” was a work I did quite some time before our association and I have documentation for this. The piece I did from your photo [the “Ketchum Head”] is not one I have interest in using. I am attaching a scan of it for your reference. If you want me to sell you exclusive rights to it, I would charge $75.

Alex

On December 30, 2012, Dr. Ketchum would not acknowledge the history of “Come On,” claiming that Alex did the 2010 piece from the photo she sent Alex in September 2011. She forwarded Alex an October 2011 e-mail in which Alex comments on the photo (and even notes its similarity to a second witness piece she was doing at the time):

"Come on" was the one that I sent you, the black one. The one you are thinking it is was from the website [the Ketchum Head} and that was from your interpretation and I do not want anything to do with that one. I am attaching the black one so you can clearly see that "come on" was from it. It was done before the website one. Your response and promise not to share it is below:

WOW Melba!! Absolutely the best photograph I've ever seen of one's face!! It fits the description to a T of one I'm working on now from a Fla. sighting of one crossing a roadway at close proximity. Thank you so much for sharing it with me, and as we talked about on the phone, I will keep it entirely to myself ...
Kindest Regards,
Alex

Also on December 30, 2012, Alex responded and further affirmed that “Come On,” was NOT done from Dr. Ketchum’s photo, and that the resemblance is only coincidental. She even explained that she would never have even mixed the photo in with a witness description, and she reasserted her rights under copyright law.

Melba,
In the message referenced below, I only agreed not to show anyone the photograph you sent me.

The piece I call “Come On” was done for client in OH. If the message referenced below, I even mention that your photograph resembled the description involved in another piece I was already working on at the time. The similarity is simply coincidence.

I can assure you that I did not use your photograph as a reference for the eye witness' piece at all, since my eye witness works are done to the specifications of the witness' description. In fact, I show the works in progress to the witnesses several times to ensure that I am getting every detail correct to what THEY saw. I would never have mixed any "inspiration" from your photo into that process at all, because it would have compromised what I sought to achieve for the witness.

You have no legal right to impose limitations on my creative product without copyright ownership. And as I have stated before, you no longer have permission to use any of my work.

Copyright law states that even if I garnered anything from that photo on any subsequent works, they are still my interpretations and MY art. The copyright still remains with me and I may use it in any way I choose.

Alex


On the same day, Alex also sent Dr. Ketchum the original 2010 post of “Come On” that she made to Oregon Bigfoot. Note the date at the end:

Senior Member Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 12:39 pm
Posts: 609
 Location: {omitted for privacy]
Re: Alex's Sasquatch
_________________
Sun Aug 15, 2010 6:27 pm

Dr. Ketchum then followed up with a legal threat to sue Alex, and clearly pointed out the cost it would impose on Alex if she did. The doctor appeared to be in denial of the fact that “Come On” was not based on the photo, and that it predates Alex seeing the photo by more than a year. Her e-mail appears here in its entirety:

Yes, but now I am able to do something legal about things whether you believe you are right or not. It will cost you to defend yourself so please do not force my hand. This is the only drawing that I am asking you not to sell or publicize. An eyewitness account is one thing, a direct reproduction of my photo is another. It is even at the same angle.

Alex also sent the following e-mail to Dr. Ketchum on December 30, 2012. In it, she referenced legal protection of her copyright, which Dr. Ketchum knows Alex cannot afford to pursue:

Melba,

You have NO legal right to restrict my use of MY work product unless I have signed over or sold you my copyright. I have not signed ANY document with you, including any limited or exclusive use agreements.

It sounds like you are trying to twist copyright law around, and that is not the way the law works - period. If you are using ANY of my work, I will protect my copyright through legal action.
This also includes ANY of the designs I did for your t-shirt/clothing programs.

Alex

And then there was Dr. Ketchum’s final response on December 30:

I do not want anything to do with any of your art. I don't even want to use that picture for any purposes. I just warn you that if you use that particular piece, there will be litigation since it is derived from my picture and there is nobody that could argue that. The courts can decide whether you have infringed my rights. Especially since I have it in writing that you were not to share it.

To this day, Alex has received no payment for any of her commissioned work, but the key issue is that the piece “Come On” was done more than a year before she was commissioned by Dr. Ketchum to do any artwork, so it absolutely could NOT be what Dr. Ketchum claims. Dr. Ketchum also received the piece herself in an Aug. 17, 2011 email, about one month before sending Alex the photo. But she still insists the artwork belongs to her.

And this is not the first time this has happened with Dr. Ketchum, as Alex’s friend Thom Cantrall can attest.

He made this statement about the doctor in a private Facebook group for artists.

Thom Cantrall said:

"I was first introduced to this aspect of Dr. Ketchum's ethic when I recommended the work of a friend in California who has some spectacular photos and casts of footprints and trackways. Dr. Ketchum would not license their use, as everyone else who publishes does, but was insisting that he GIVE HER full rights to his works... i.e., she would OWN his work without any kind of compensation whatsoever! In the world of intellectual property, unless that property is SOLD to another, it remains the property of the creator of said property. NO ONE can usurp another's work, no matter WHERE they find it!"

About her decision to go public, Alex said, “I am just stating facts and protecting my work. The truth needs to come out and because I never signed anything with Dr. Ketchum, I am free to discuss this situation as I wish.” *******DF

[ NOTE: These emails were provided by Alex Evans and were not hacked]

[Thom Cantrall gave us permission to use his statements]
[Disclaimer:  The views and opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect those of the author or The crypto crew.]

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Our Top Stories from 2012

2013!

Well today is the last day of 2012, so Happy New year to everyone and thanks for a great 2012.
I thought it would be good to list some of our biggest stories from this past year. In no particular order.

Top stories from 2012

The Tent Video -
http://www.thecryptocrew.com/2012/12/tent-video-bigfoot-dead-details-world.html
http://www.thecryptocrew.com/2012/12/rick-dyer-talks-about-dead-bigfoot.html
http://www.thecryptocrew.com/2012/12/tent-video-bigfoot-killed-closer-look.html

Dr. Melba Ketchum DNA sutdy-
http://www.thecryptocrew.com/2012/12/bigfoot-dna-paper-update.html
http://www.thecryptocrew.com/2012/11/official-statement-from-dr-ketchum.html
http://www.thecryptocrew.com/2012/12/dr-melba-ketchum-on-coast-to-coast-am.html

The Erickson Project -
http://www.thecryptocrew.com/2012/11/the-erickson-project.html
http://www.thecryptocrew.com/2012/02/are-some-of-erickson-videos-are-fakes.html
http://www.thecryptocrew.com/2011/08/erickson-project-photo-enhancements.html

Sierra bigfoot Kills -
http://www.thecryptocrew.com/2012/02/sierra-kills-story-may-become-animated.html
http://www.thecryptocrew.com/2011/10/justin-smeja-reveals-some-details.html
http://www.thecryptocrew.com/2012/07/i-killed-bigfoot-justin-smeja-interview.html

The Zombie Attacks -
http://www.thecryptocrew.com/2012/05/uncut-zombie-attack-footage-warning.html
http://www.thecryptocrew.com/2012/10/another-zombie-style-attack-graphic.html
http://www.thecryptocrew.com/2012/06/zombie-attack-victim-recovering.html

Sykes - Oxford DNA Study -
http://www.thecryptocrew.com/2012/09/brian-sykes-oxford-yeti-dna-project.html
http://www.thecryptocrew.com/2012/09/brian-sykes-oxford-yeti-dna-project.html

Baltic Sea UFO -
http://www.thecryptocrew.com/2012/07/baltic-sea-ufo-update.html
http://www.thecryptocrew.com/2012/06/baltic-sea-ufo-stranger-by-day.html

The Mayan Prophecy -
http://www.thecryptocrew.com/2012/12/tomorrows-end-of-world.html
http://www.thecryptocrew.com/2012/05/should-we-be-worried-about-mayan-2012.html
http://www.thecryptocrew.com/2012/12/december-212012-end-of-world.html

Melissa Hovey Photo -
http://www.thecryptocrew.com/2012/04/crypto-crew-interview-melissa-hovey.html
http://www.thecryptocrew.com/2012/02/closer-look-at-clear-bigfoot-photo.html
http://www.thecryptocrew.com/2012/02/clear-picture-released-of-bigfoot.html

Bigfoot Encounter in New Hampshire -
http://www.thecryptocrew.com/2012/03/breaknews-possible-bigfoot-seen-in-new.html
http://www.thecryptocrew.com/2012/03/new-hampshire-bigfoot-sighting.html
http://www.thecryptocrew.com/2012/04/new-hampshire-investigation-update.html
Of course this is not all of the really good stories and tales we covered but it's some of the best one.

Everyone have a great New Year, be good and be safe. It looks like 2013 is going to be an interesting year for bigfoot.
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Sunday, December 30, 2012

New Bigfoot Sighting!

Bigfoot Sighting Area

This is a sighting report taken by TCC Team Member Jason Morse.
Jason is a Lifelong outdoor enthusiast, trained in wilderness survival tactics, 26 year martial artist, DJ, EMT and amateur writer.



Yesterday, December 29th, I was contacted by David Williams and Ashley Eaton, a couple friends of mine from Newmarket,NH regarding a sighting they had just had that day. Here's what they had to say:
 
"We were driving down Camp Lee Rd. in Newmarket, At about 5:00 pm. Since it was dark already and snowing very hard, we were driving slow, about 15 MPH due to the poor road conditions.
We rounded a bend, and in the middle of the road, we saw a dark figure. First we thought it was a bear, as it was moving rather slowly on all fours, but as we got closer we both exclaimed aloud when we realized we were wrong.
As we got within 50 feet of this figure, I noticed a sort of ape-like head, coned at the top, but no protruding nose area like a gorilla or chimp has, long, black fur/hair all over, narrow waist, and massive chest and shoulders.
We could see "normal" but large feet in the back, but saw that it was using it's fists to walk on in the front. David guesses it to be about 3 1/2 to 4 feet high at the shoulder, there were bulges on the back where the shoulders was, and the back was completely horizontal from behind the bulged shoulder muscles to the hind end. IT saw us, and paused briefly, like a "Deer in the headlights" then in no hurry, ambled off the road into the trees."
"The chest was so huge, like a bodybuilder" says David. "I've never seen anything like it, all I can think is that we saw a Bigfoot on all fours like a bear.
I'd guess if it stood up, it would have been from 7-9 feet tall, but it's hard to estimate with it on all fours."
 
They both were positive that what they had seen was no bear, due to the lack of a muzzle, and it was far too big to be a person. These are both trustworthy people that I've known for a long time. From my own experience, I can attest to there being Sasquatch in this area.
In the area of this sighting, there is a few house, and nearby, there is a farm with small animals, (chickens, etc) an easy chance for a meal.
 
I believe that this sighting is true and accurate, considering the excitement and confusion when they approached me about it.
 
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Saturday, December 29, 2012

The True Story About The Bigfoot Named Fox




The True Story About The Bigfoot Named Fox
Will The Real Janice Carter Please Step Forward
By TCC Team Member Dorraine Fisher


Someone’s going around impersonating Janice Carter. At least that’s the story according to Janice Carter herself and long time friend Sally Ramey.

On Dec. 17, a post on Shawn Evidence’s blog referenced an account originally appearing on Robert Lindsay’s blog from an anonymous person claiming to have been with the two women and several other people when they visited a dying Bigfoot named Fox. Sally denied this nameless person’s account here on Crypto Crew, but a comment on Shawn Evidence’s blog, posted by Jan’s friend Melody, led people to believe that both Janice and Sally were present when the creature died, leading the community to believe that the two women have knowledge of the whereabouts of the body of this creature.

To add to the confusion, Shawn Evidence’s blog later ran an e-mail from someone claiming to be Janice. Within that same post Shawn ran a response from the supposed "anonymous witness" claiming that Sally and Janice’s two stories contradict each other. And this anonymous witness claims to have the only "real story."

But so much has been taken out of context and so many untruths have circulated that the two ladies
felt the need to respond.
"Someone is trying to target us for some reason," Sally told me. The two women have tried to get the story straightened out, but because of her brain injury, Janice often has trouble with written communications. In this case, one misused phrase made the two women appear to be at odds with each other. But the bottom line is that neither of the two women was actually there when Fox died.

This is what Janice herself told me this week:

"Dorraine, The only person I sent an email to so that it could be used was Melody and she posted it to Shawn's blog or Robert's, I do believe. That is the only post that should be anywhere on the blogs. No one, including myself, my daughter or Sally, was at Fox's side or present in the area where the Bf reside/live when Fox passed away."
Jan

And in closing, this is what Sally had to say also:
"Jan and I have both stated that only she and I and her daughter made an attempt to visit Fox. People may mince words, but we did not see any Bigfoot, and no one else was there. We will comment on this matter no further."

The two women are both baffled by who might want to impersonate Janice and spread untruths, but both felt the need to clear this up once and for all. *********DF

 

[The source for this information came directly from Janice Carter and Sally Ramey. Both are very easy to find and talk to.]

[Robert Lindsay Blog,Bigfoot Evidence Blog]

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Friday, December 28, 2012

Breaking News Bigfoot Captured ! (Humor)

By now you may have heard that some super secret, well funded, military styled bigfoot research group has managed to capture a living breathing bigfoot! Yes I know it's amazing news, no one in the world can even get a clear picture of a bigfoot but this fine group has captured one. All that training and protocols have finally paid off. We have no idea where this event took place, but it don't matter.  It was also reported that Navy Seal Team 6 was at first invited but later they were ruled out due to lack of training.

So now we can piece together how they might have did it.

First, it was reported, that they used the trap pictured below

Actual trap?

But after a few days the beer was still there, it was later found out that the bigfoot in this area were non drinkers, maybe even Mormons but I don't know... anyways the group had to step back and then step it up with a better bigfoot trap.
Behold the better mouse...errrr a .. bigfoot trap.


BOOM! It worked! all these years, research and funding has paid off ! Yeah we know it's cardboard but todays cardboard is really, really strong.
The bigfoot was soon named and moved into a cage build for one, it's like a rule or protocol or something that you have to name any bigfoot you capture or kill. Sadly no one had a digital camera or cell phone at the time of capture, only one of them 1984 instant polaroid thingy's...were you push the button and out came a blurry photo.


Yes, Daisy is in the Cage !

But what happened next was the really amazing part.


Oh No! Someone might get in trouble, so Daisy was released and all documents, photos and evidence was destroyed! Not only that the people involved had their memories erased by that cool gadget seen in the Men in Black movies. Oh yes they are real....Our Government uses them on the American citizens through the TV, How else did Obama win re election?



But wait that is NOT the end of the story - after this story was leaked out on purpose the web hits just kept coming, so much in fact the forum web page has been crashing out. So in an effort to tell the story and satisfy the masses and their out cry ...There will be a MOVIE! Yes a movie and the title and art is already done.

The names, color or the bigfoot, location, all records and ect...have been changed to help the people involved live a normal life, well as normal as a person can with an erased memory, but other than that the movie is reportedly really accurate.
Filmed in Glorious Black & White...well originally it was in color but you could see the zipper too much on the bigfoot costume so it was changed to black and white! Look for it on Netflix in 2013 and we hear there is even a special dial up modem version for those without high speed internet.
Audio Book version coming soon.  Everyone is hopeful it will get better reviews than that one crappy syfy bigfoot movie with that dude from The Brady Bunch show and that red headed crazy guy from the old hippy show where they played music on a weird painted school bus.


So there you have it the scoop on the captured bigfoot.

Thanks
ES


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Another Loud Boom In Kentucky! (Update!)



!UPDATE! -
I got an email today of another loud boom. Here is the email.

"Today 12-31-2012 around 12:00 pm a Loud Boom was heard from my house to ten miles away. I called the house down the road to see if he heard and is hard of hearing and he also heard the Boom. My best friend who lives a mile up the road from me called to see if I heard both of them they were 20 minutes apart.
I called my cousin who lives 10 miles away and she also heard both Booms.
There was no smoke that anyone could see. Nothing is on the news. Just wanted to report this to you after reading the article."


Bonnie ****** 
***********
Clarkson, Ky 42726

TCC - Thanks Bonnie! Keep us posted.
- End Update -


I have gotten a new report of a loud boom in Northern Kentucky on Dec. 26, 2012.
I received the follow email from Maggie and here is what it said.
"I was googling to see if there was any info on a really loud boom in Union KY (just south of Cincinnati OH) and I came across your sight.
At around 9:26 am today (Dec.26 2012)
A Boom so loud it shook my house.  I live in a brick house.  I ran outside to see if a vehicle crashed into the house. There was nothing.
I overheard a woman at the grocery store talking on her cell and she said as she walked by "yea, I heard it too!  It was around 9:25."
 
Some are saying that the earlier boom that happened in Southeast ,Ky was due to the military shooting some kind of tank/weapon around Fort Knox, but this does not hold water for me. The reason  it does not hold water is that for one Harlan county is just too far away and for another why would they be shooting some kind of weapon at around 12pm at night.  
 
And now we have a new mystery boom in Northern Kentucky. It all seems a little strange to me and it could be earthquake related.
If anyone has any info on the recent booms in Northern or Southeastern Kentucky please contact me via email at thecryptocrew@kih.net
 
Southeast Ky Boom Story - Click Here
 
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Comparison of Different Bigfoot


This is a post by TCC Team Member Dale Drinnon.
Dale has a degree in Anthropology with a background in Zoology and Paleontology.
Visit his Blog - Frontiers of Zoology



The top composite shows three images of what I take to be the actual Sasquatch type of the Pacific Northwest, the more humanlike Eastern Bigfoot or American Almas and the more apelike form of Eastern Bigfoot, the Skunk apes or NAPES.
The first image (named "Jada")I take not to be an actual Sasquatch but a representation of the type: the Kwakiutl hat-mask (The below photo is much like it. Another one of the same type was just sent to me from a facebook Sasquatch group but I think it is possibly a photograph of a manufactured bust. It is very large.


The more manlike one at center top is easily recognized simply because it IS more manlike: I consider the "Minnesota Iceman" to be an example of this.
Once again there are many witnesses' impressions to go by, but I feel fairly certain that the very good sculpted busts by Alex Evans are a good representation of this.



I also feel that if you had the creature shown in Melissa Hovey's (On the left in the above photo) American Bigfoot Society photo of the hairy back and then you turned it around, you would have again the same type of a face. The face bust is currently being used to advertise a Southeastern Bigfoot convention, and Melissa Hovey has given me written permission to reprint the photo. I find the best likeness to match the bust is an old bust of the Heidelburg man (Reconstruction based on the Mauer jaw) and this is indeed a candidate for the type (and so identified by Mark Hall and Loren Coleman) for the same Eastern Bigfoot population: Mark Hall illustrates a skull of the type taken from a historical grave and published in the 1920s.




The third image on the top composite represents the more apelike creature called variously the Wood Ape or Tree ape, Swamp ape or Skunk ape. It leaves tracks with an opposed big toe, but more like the tracks of the "Orang Pendek" in shape than the tracks of any of the "Known" great apes. There are a large number of "Blobsquatch" photos of the type floating around the internet (but also in the case of the more humanlike kind) and here is another example from the Bigfoot Evidence blog and also a comparison between the two types of tracks from the Eastern USA.


    

The young ones of the more humanlike kinds are much brainier than the young ones of the other two kinds, if the photo from Arkansas of the "Unidentified Primate" can be trusted. And the brighter orange colored reconstruction represents the face of the more apelike kind-showing the characteristic small beady eyes stuck close together, vertically elongated eye-sockets, peak or lump on the top of the head "Two large holes" nose and the protuberant mouth which opens to show large fangs. the ears are usually small and not noticeable. Some cases of "Glowing eyes" are reported.



Here is a straightforward comparison between the Patterson film Sasquatch and the Edwards photo: the more apelike one has an even smaller head, pinched shoulders, longer arms and very short legs that do not raise it high up out of the ground cover.


Such creatures are reported hoarding and eating acorns in areas with oak trees, and in places as far apart as Ontario and Georgia are said to raid orchards of apples, pears and peaches, and it seems that they store food up over the winter and sleep fitfully in guard over their hoards in hollow logs and dug-out dens they have made. Any photographs of "Bigfoot" up any trees are likely to be of this type also.
They seem to come in two basic color schemes, All-black (or very dark brown) and red (or orange) the orange colored ones are often said to resemble orangutans very closely, and the black or dark ones are said to resemble chimps or gorillas, but not usually so strongly.
Thanks
Dale


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Thursday, December 27, 2012

UFO Filmed on Christmas Day in Pennsylvania

UFO Filmed on Christmas Day in Pennsylvania
Still Frame of the black object
Here is the original and enhanced video

 
Originally uploaded by girl245689.
Here is what they said about it: "This was seen between 2-3pm on Christmas Day in Chester County PA. The higher black object hovered in the same spot for 2-1/2 to 3 hours. These lights then appeared below it."
I have attempted to enhance the black object and the flashing object. This is a pretty interesting video, I don't know what it is or even if it is real.
This was in Chester County in Pennsylvania and was recorded on Tuesday, 25th December 2012.
It would be interesting to see if anyone else seen this or has it recorded. If anyone does please feel free to contact me via email at thecryptocrew@kih.net
 
The Original video can be seen Here
 
 
Thanks
Tom

 

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Wednesday, December 26, 2012

DNA Analysis of Smeja "Steak" From Sierra Kills

DNA Analysis of Smeja "Steak" From Sierra Kills  - So is this over with now?

Not Bigfoot
 
Here is a summary of the report by TCC's own Dale Drinnon

"From this it seems definite that the same sample analyzed had two sets of mitochondrial DNA, one human of presumably European ancestry and the other female black bear, with the bear DNA predominant and the sex of the human DNA donor not determined, but most likely from more than one human donor because parts of the sequences do not match up between tested samples.

I would definitely go for contamination in this case. And as one commentator has noted, there is no way to know for certain that this steak came from whatever it was Justin had shot at, it was found later when Smeja and others went back to look for remains after he had left the bodies in the first place. But one thing is certain, the sample does NOT represent a crossbreeding of a human and a bear!

 Best Wishes, Dale D. "

So we can now assume that Smeja shot a bear and the sample was handled incorrectly. So did Smeja know he shot a bear? What about the polygraph test? Was it all a hoax or is there more to the story?

For me at this point I will assume this was all a hoax. I wonder if any of the samples were passed on to the Ketchum Study? If so what was the results? According to some people they claim Ketchum had a sample and she said the sample from Smeja was a sasquatch, which if true will bring that study under more fire.

I'm glad the results of Smeja's steak were finally presented, but I still have questions about it all? What if the Ketchum study calls it s squatch? Then we will have 2 very different DNA results for this sample.

Well here is the long and short of it...NOTHING will do beside a bigfoot dead body period. The body would have to be shown on TV everywhere. I personally would prefer some other way but it is just not going to happen. All this DNA stuff is just not cutting it right now. The more I read about these "kills" and "DNA studies"  the less confidence I have in them.

It seems at this point bigfoot DNA samples are not any better than a blurry photo, except I can understand a blurry blobsquatch photo better than all the DNA jargon.

So to me the Sierra Kills story is a bust and over with, but we still have the Ketchum Study, The Tent Video and the Oxford DNA study. So we still have a little hope I guess, but I will not be holding my breath. I expect more disappointments, untruths and falsehoods....I hope I'm wrong.

Thanks




[Sources:Frontiers of Zoology, Bigfoot Evidence]




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Tuesday, December 25, 2012

Picture of Bigfoot Taken During Wildfire?

Bigfoot?

TCC - Ok, so I'm beating around on the net on a Christmas day and I run across the picture above and a odd story. I had to translate the original text as it was in Chinese.
Well in any case here is the translated text, it's a bit choppy but you can get the story.

Mountainous California, USA, in the north. On that day, in the mountains and blustery wind, the flames arose from trees rubbing together in the wind from the cage.

 
The flame grows quickly, fanned by the wind, spread rapidly. Spread debris following and we also spread the adjacent mountain burning a pile of one exhausted, burned.People go out, everyone in the village at the foot are anxiously staring at the fire mountain. I could only helplessly, watching.-------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------And a fierce cry and you do not know the man called "Gyao~o~on!" At that time, both the animal could be heard from the direction of the mountain.Look, large animals have been rushed out of the fire. Does not seem to be a human being. The height is too high, strangely, (oh) body has been covered with brown hair crack.In the chiseled face, peeling out to the ki (free) to yellow teeth, came running towards us. The animal was stopped at the foot of the front of the villagers about 20m.From standing on two legs neatly than gorillas and monkeys, but rather human-like.-------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------One of the villagers! "It Big Foot" cried."There were rumors after all!'m Was true!"Or "He's killed the horses and cattle out!"In this village incident that killed livestock from cattle and horses had earlier in succession. How they are killed bizarre Moreover, also, as in the instant death blow horses, some cattle head have been tear. I thought at first was the work of a bear, something different is how slow the bear.Somewhere down the line, "You can be like this, no doubt Bigfoot live in the mountains" Big Foot never rumors and standing, I saw nobody yet has been the culprit for killing livestock. I had now been proven that this rumor was true, however.

 
Most of the villagers had become stuck in fear. I think it was "...? Attacked or come", ran toward the mountain Bigfoot big whoop next moment, burning again.

 

The photo on the above, in which one of the villagers came out with a camera and try to shoot a wildfire when it was taken."

TCC - So the above photo is "reportedly" a real bigfoot? I have no idea when this event occurred. The picture looks like a phony to me.

Thanks



[Source:http://ww5.tiki.ne.jp/~qyoshida/]

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Monday, December 24, 2012

Dr. Melba Ketchum on Coast to Coast AM Show



Joining George Knapp, Dr. Melba S. Ketchum discussed her DNA analysis of possible Bigfoot hair samples, which was leaked to the public before the publication of her peer-reviewed paper. She reviewed her background as a veterinarian, years of research in genetics, including forensics, and her founding of the company DNA Diagnostics in 1985. She also addressed controversies that have been stirred up in the Bigfoot research community about her findings. Part of the problem, she explained, was that some non-ethical people became involved in her project, though none of their research was ever incorporated into her final paper.
 
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Saturday, December 22, 2012

Witness Interview about Bigfoot Interaction


Interview with L. Troutman
By TCC Team Member Thomas Marcum

This a possible bigfoot hiding in some bushes, notice the eye shine
[This is a pretty long interview and only a small sampling of the photos and video. We hope to have more from LT in the near future.] 


TM: Identify yourself.
LT: L. TROUTMAN

TM: Indicate that we have permission to use the story
LT: You have permission to use my interview.

TM: What is the your position, credentials, background etc.
LT: Amateur researcher who has lived in this area my whole life,indeed both sides of ancestors have lived hear since the turn of the 19th century(1800).

TM: When was the encounter?
LT: The encounter of interaction took place on 9-6-12.

TM: Where was the encounter?
LT:  Anthracite Coal Region of PA.

TM: Describe the terrain there. What kind of area ?
LT:  It was on a large hill or small mountain heavily forested with a stream near by, probably about 200 feet from the top of the mountain. Nearest house was about 5 miles away.

TM: Tell the story of how this all started?
LT: This all started after watching many videos on youtube. I saw how video were broken down and proved or disproved based on scientific facts. I learned about what signs next time we went out to forested areas. Indeed I found sturdy arches which could not be natural and saw some snapped trees. It was in these areas I took photos and was astounded later by what I caught.

Arch ways are sometimes thought to be made by Bigfoot
TM: Describe the events leading up to the encounter.
LT:  Drove to the area, have been there before, and came back with some amazing photos. When I zoomed in on the photos. I also did some filming and took photos while driving.  I reached the area and walked about 30 yards south, I had a bag of acorn squash,cayenne peppers and tomatoes,which I got from my brothers garden. (I had given him some heirloom seeds which he used and wanted me to try some of that produce.) I turned right into bare area of the forest and threw the vegetables into the forest on my right (area where I had photographed them before.) I video taped a little,walked back out and went about 20 yards north. Then to the right towards the stream about 40 yards away. At the start was a building, which comes into play later, i walked to the stream filming, turned around and went about 20 yards, stopped and started the rock knock, which everyone can experience on the youtube video,"3 ROCK KNOCKS ANSWERED BY LAUREL MOUNTAIN SASQUATCH CLAN.
Here is the 3 Rock Knocks video


I picked up one rock and knocked against a rock already embedded on the ground three times. A couple seconds later there was a loud clank sounded as though it hit metal or hard plastic or both. I stopped the video, then started recording again and did a single rock knock. There was a couple second pause, then I heard a stone hit the gravel parking area. I walked a bit shut off camera and started walking out west towards my car.
Keep in mind there is this building on my right blocking most of my northern and NW view so I  do not know what I may see. The rocks it seems to me were thrown somewhere from the blocked area. I walk out and see no one. I walk north and start video taping to my right (turns out I caught a squatch moving up to a tree and show his face between two trees and possibly more in the background).
I walk around my car looking for a dent and see nothing. I surmise he must have hit the top of the building. I decide to cross the parking area to the west where it is heavily forested and I am pretty sure they have nests up in the trees and got some great photos before. So I videotape and take photos for a few minutes. I then walk back to my car (east) and decide to try a whoop. I thought I was recording and it turns out I must have hit the record button one too many times. I whoop rather loud and about 4 or 5 seconds later about 15 yards to the SE on the other side of the building I hear something going through leaves then I hear a thump and the rock tumbles at least two times. This rock had to be bigger than my fist maybe even two fists size. It is even possible he used the rock I knocked with which was way bigger than my fist. At this point my jaw is hanging open and I realize I got some great audio. I look at my camera and realize it was off. Of course I was quite dismayed but also concerned. I start wondering if a whoop is actually a mating call and it ticked off a large male.
I was at the front of my car, looking south and east where the view is not blocked by this building, kind of wondering what to do next and if I am no longer welcome. All of a sudden from the east where my arm is facing I feel this gentle kind of wave effect which totally raises the hair on my forearm and hand. It is about 90 degrees out and this is no chill feeling if anything it is a warm sensation. I knew immediately it was the infra sound that these creatures induce that I read and heard about. Now I also heard that they use it to immobilize their prey.
So now my mind starts racing and I get that gut feeling like I am being closed in on. I decide to leave well enough alone and think about being miles from civilization and the sun is going down. I decide to get in the car and get out my wife's S&W bodyguard .38 caliber with only 5 rounds. But before that I start record and set the camera on top of the roof of the car angled kind of SE, the direction I did the first rock knocks. I get the gun out and load it and put it on the middle hump on the floor. I then start the car all the while hoping that it please turn over ( I have a old car). I let it warm up and get out and grab the camera. That was when I noticed something slightly darker than the surrounding area directly to the east next to a tree.
That tree seemed much wider than I remembered it. Because of the large amount of foliage around and above it was rather dark in there. It turns out while filming from the roof I caught a slew of them watching and more as I drove out of the area. I usually unload the gun(s) as soon as I get in my car to leave, but not on this night. It stayed next to me for about the next three miles, then I stopped and unloaded it. Along the way I did some more slowing down and filming which was kind off difficult as there was adrenaline pumping through me at this point realizing I just experienced something incredible.

Possible Bigfoot sitting against a tree.
TM: Describe the creature you saw. What color? Etc.
LT:  All I could really notice was what seemed to be a blob squatch that was a shade darker than the surrounding area later on, next to a tree which previously did not seem that wide.


TM:  How did the creature move? What was it doing?
LT:  I noticed not movement. I got the feeling it and others were observing me intently. Indeed one or more did interact.

TM: Did the creature make any sounds or verbalization?
LT:  I heard no sounds at all from the creature which was very odd.

TM: How did you feel when you saw the creature?
LT: That was the event on top of all the other which caused me to leave.


TM: What thoughts were going thru your mind?
LT: The interview FB/FB did with the gentleman who felt as though he was led into an ambush by these squatch on all fours.Plus it was getting dark and no civilization around and I thought I had some compelling footage/experience documented. I thought better not to push the issue as the large rock thrown was a warning I felt.

TM: How long was the encounter?
LT: From the time of the rock knocks being answered till I left was at least 10 minutes.

TM: Was anyone with you? How many people saw the creature?
LT: I was alone the whole time, however a car did go by once while I was near my car about the same time I filmed the squatch between the two trees.

TM: Were you able to take any pictures or video?
LT: Video and photos, Yes.

TM: Did you look or see any tracks?
LT: I noticed no tracks but was not very concerned about tracks.


TM: Did you notice anything else?
LT: I Noticed no animals in the whole large area.

TM: Describe the events when you left the area.
LT: I left the area with the gun still loaded and laying by my legs on the middle hump and continued filming as i could sense them all around me.

TM: What did you do in the days and weeks after the encounter? Did you tell anyone/alert authorities?
LT:  For day afterward I poured over my video and photos numerous times. I told my wife and son but no one else. I wanted to make sure I had some footage good enough to back up my encounter. Finally I decided this should be on public record and that it could be useful to others.

TM: Since the encounter, have you had any additional thoughts, developed any philosophies?
LT:  Yes, I have been trying to figure out whether these creatures are physical or supernatural. Or are they some physical creatures and some paranormal spirits hang around them. i have footage which makes a argument for both theories. Indeed I continued researching to try and get evidence to prove either theory.I wanted to believe in the worst way that these were made  by our creator God,and sought out evidence for that. however, what I obtained told me otherwise for the most part. When my footage is enhanced such things as shapshifting,strange colors and lights, disappearing,appearing in a split second,ect. and i see nothing until I go over the footage later. My latest video I put on youtube 12/2/12 has an EVP at :02, which I cannot make out but sounds female. Then a squatch figure comes into frame at superhuman speed.I equate the EVPs with supernatural. I want to point out I have nothing to do with Occult Practices. i never used Ouija, Tarot cards, Palm readers, No ghost hunting,seances,ect. I do like watching ghost hunting shows basically to learn about demons tactics and tricks, ect. I am a God fearing man and may have to stop this research based upon the results I have gotten. i have also wondered about any possible connection to the giant cone head skulls found in Chile,Russia and some whole skeletons all over earth, would the DNA match?
It is reported that a giant skeleton was found in the 20'f or 30's by coal miners in Shenandoah,Pa. With all the activity that tool place on this mountain I have to wonder if it is some type of portal. Supposedly there are burial mounds in the Ohio Vally, where giants skeleton were found and of course the museums swoop in and take these so as not to disprove their evolution theory. anyhow, I could go on and on about theories.

TM: What do you call them?
LT:  I call them sasquatch but maybe forest people would be more appropriate.

TM: Were you a believer before all this happened?
LT:  yes.

TM: Do you think “habituator” is an accurate description of your brand of researching?
LT: Spontaneous Researcher Applies.


TM: Describe a typical research day. How do you interact with them?
LT:  I just grab a camera and go out to uncivilized areas, usually taking a combination of photos and video. I use to whistle to draw them in, Indeed that is what I did on the day of interaction. But no longer do that, I have found they will find us. whatever they are they are extremely curious and want to observe us. at least that seems to be the case with the clans I dealt with. I try to be quiet as not to contaminate my videos. Most of the time my family is with me.when I am alone is when they seem to make themselves known more.

TM: Are you ever afraid of them?
LT:  I was not really too afraid when I thought they were physical, now that at least some of them seem to be supernatural ,that frightens me.

TM: How many have you seen at one time?
LT:  As far as I could tell one but there may have been more than one huddled together but i could not differentiate. When going over the footage I usually notice many of them.

TM: Are they different colors?
LT: On my footage I have seen probably all the colors ever mentioned by witnesses of them.

TM: Have you ever seen them climb trees?
LT: Not with my naked eye,however on my footage Yes indeed they are moving through trees,moving up and down.Strangely enough I have footage of these being near very tops of trees on limbs that could not possibly hold their weight.

This is a possible Bigfoot in a tree

TM: How close a relationship do you think you have with them?
LT: When I first started I liked to think we had one, but now I feel quite the opposite.

TM: Why do you suppose they allow you to get so close?
LT: Whatever they are they want to observe and learn things about us. They know I am not dangerous to them. at times I carry a handgun (have concealed carry permit) but I would never shoot one unless I was charged.

TM: Do they talk or demonstrate a kind of language?
LT: The only language I heard was the EVP on 12/2/12. At another location I suspected they were whistling back and forth between two embankments which were heavily forested.

TM: Have you witnessed them mating?
LT: On footage, I cannot say they are mating however they are in very strange positions. Most astounding is how they are atop one another posing as trees. I have a theory that native Americans somehow noticed this and the results of that was their making of totem poles. I know much of this sound very far out,but when my footage gets enhanced many people will see what I am talking about.

TM: Is there anything you’d like to add?
LT: I do believe some people have footage and experiences with real physical Sasquatch. As to what I have been seeing/interacting with I'm sill not totally sure. Perhaps some are physical and some are paranormal.

Thanks to LT for the videos,pictures and Interview!


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Friday, December 21, 2012

UFO Photographed from Airplane



Saucer-Shaped Craft Photographed From Airplane Window

By TCC Team member Dorraine Fisher
Analysis by Thomas Marcum
Is this a real UFO?
             A friend of a man named Larry Siu, a passenger on a plane headed from Hong Kong to Kunming City in southwest China apparently snapped this picture from the airplane window of what appears to be a saucer-shaped UFO.
            Siu said, “Many passengers saw it and took pictures.”
            The picture was said to have been taken last week, and was subsequently passed on to Rex Pictures. 
Analysis: 
Upon first looking at the photo, it look pretty good. The background story seem feasible as well but lets look at the photo itself.  
Here is a zoom of the object
UFO?
After running the photo on some software I have, it seems this is a HOAX.
The software came back with this determination.
"NOTE: Photoshop IRB detected
  Based on the analysis of compression characteristics and EXIF metadata:
  ASSESSMENT: Class 1 - Image is processed/edited"
This is only part of the analysis of the photo data. This could very well be one of the cell phone apps where you can place an "ufo" in any photo. There is also a bigfoot app that does the same thing.

CONCLUSION:  HOAX/FAKE!
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DF & Tom

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Thursday, December 20, 2012

Rick Dyer Talks About The Dead Bigfoot!

Tent Video Bigfoot
Dyer confirms several of the details told to us by an insider and calls for protection laws to protect bigfoot. He also talks about Minnow Films and the upcoming video and more.

Here is the almost 2 hour show done on blog talk radio



Updated info:
* Dyer calls for protection laws
* Confirms Minnow films partnerhsip
*Confirms Dead Bigfoot
*Confirms film release to film festival coming in 2013
* Admits leaks
* and More!

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Tomorrow’s The End Of The World!

Tomorrow’s The End Of The World!
Are We Shaking Yet?
By TCC Team Member Dorraine Fisher
Is the End Here?

            Well, I may have to eat my words, but if I do, everyone will be too busy to see it. According to Mayan prophecy, the world ends tomorrow, December 21, 2012.  If you’re a believer in this prediction, and as the time is drawing nearer, are you more fearful, or less?  I’m still not worried, and I’ll gladly tell you why.
            At the beginning of this year, scientists said there would be more solar flare activity all this year which could cause all kinds of technical problems. And it has, but nothing of an apocalyptic magnitude. As you can see, it’s December, and no universal disasters have shown signs of beginning. It’s Thursday, the 20th and the earth’s platelets are shifting at about their normal rate. There are no signs of anything changing so dramatically as to bring on the end of the world. But you might tell me it won’t start until December 21, and you may be right. Maybe on Friday at precisely 12 AM the sky will become very dark, and the earth will open up and swallow us all whole. If it does, I’ll admit I’m wrong...if I’m still here, that is.
            But enough with the scientific arguments. If you believe the world’s going to end, there’s nothing I can say that will persuade you otherwise. Not even common sense.
            The Mayan calendar was designed in increments of 400 years each. The last increment which just so happens to end in 2012. How far do you suppose they could they have kept going with the calendar when they created it? Going on forever would mean the creator of the calendar could never be allowed to die. Or someone else would have to take over writing it, and another, and another, forever.  But Mayan civilization fell, and all their activities ceased. Including the design of their calendar. The calendar simply had to end somewhere.  It’s actually amazing in itself that they managed to keep it going all the way up to 2012 at all.
            And what time will this start exactly? While at 12 AM in my time zone, to the west of me and across the ocean, it will be 12 PM... on the night before...still the 20th of December.  So if this prophecy date is literally set in stone, then how does that work? Is it going to just explode all at once like that date was a lie, or is it going to progress by time zone methodically around the entire planet?
            Does this seem even a little ridiculous yet? I hope so.
            But I’m sad to say that suicide rates are up around the world and anxiety levels are high in young people who have not lived long enough to know how this goes. They’re just getting started with their lives. And it’s easy for them to think that it could all come crashing down any day. And their impressionable minds are wide open to all kinds of ideas, bad and good.
            But those of us who are older and have seen countless end-of-the-world predictions over the years, either yawn at the mention of it, or take it somewhat seriously, and then think “Oh well! If it does happen, there’s nothing I can do about it.”  We might stockpile a little extra food and water, as anyone should for emergencies, but we go on living our lives.
            Because we’ve watched it happen over and over again, year after year. One prediction after another that never came true. And there are plenty of things to worry about in our busy lives without worrying about the earth giving way under our feet.
            If it does happen, we’ll all be in the same boat. And the only thing we can really hope for is that it happens quickly and painlessly. But I’m still betting that the only thing that will be shaking much on earth on Friday are the hundreds of thousands of believers that truly think that is our last day on the planet.
            Me, I’m taking it one day at a time, fully expecting to get up Saturday morning and cook breakfast as usual. I’ve already bought my groceries and made weekend plans.  Maybe, just maybe that morning I’ll wipe a tiny bead of sweat off my brow and sigh with relief that I made it through yet another one. But I’ll be be doing that while I’m eating and staring out the window at yet another sunrise. *******DF




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Wednesday, December 19, 2012

The Significance Of The Bigfoot “Non-Sighting”



The Significance Of The Bigfoot “Non-Sighting”
Shane Shamblin Talks About His Harrowing Encounter
By TCC Team Member Dorraine Fisher

            In the search for Bigfoot, we’re all obsessed with the physical evidence; the blood, hair, footprints, and getting the perfect picture. But does that all erase the significance of what could be called the “non-sighting?” The incident where we know we’ve come across something very real, but didn’t actually see it? It depends on what kind of “non-sighting” you have. When you have an encounter like the one Shane Shamblin experienced in Indiana, even without actually seeing much, he knew this was not a normal day.
            It happened one foggy night when Shane and his brother and a friend were fishing in an abandoned strip mine pit near Linton, Indiana known as Gamble Lake. They had floated out onto the lake not far from their original access point when they began to hear splashing sounds in the water.
            “We first thought a territorial beaver was a little upset with us,” Shane explained.  “There were very large splashes near the boat. Mind you, we are in the dark, and it's about 1 AM in the morning. The water is very deep there, so the splashes had a huge "ka-thunk" sound when they would happen.”
            Fearing the “beaver’s” activity might puncture the raft, the three men decided to float toward the bank and fish from their instead. But they soon came to discover that the huge splashes were now coming toward the same spot.
            “We were laughing and joking about how this beaver wanted to "eat" us,” Shane said.  “Anyhow, I decided to turn on a light. I had a rechargeable 1,000,000 candlepower spotlight, so I turned it on and set it on it's stand. I have to admit now, it was easier to see without the light. Anyhow, there were a couple of more big splashes, and then one caught my eye. Out of my peripheral vision, I seen a white flash falling from the sky and into the water just about 10 feet out from us. I didn't say anything at first, because I thought it may be my eyes playing tricks on me. Then it happened again, and this time I told my Brother and Mike to watch for it too. That's when we realized, after all three of us seeing it at the same time, they were basketball-sized limestone rocks falling into the water, from the sky. At this point, we are all baffled and confused.”
            That’s when Shane’s friend Mike yelled either jokingly or nervously, “We’re being attacked!” Shane picked up the spotlight and shined it over on the other bank only to see an enormous shadow.
            “I shined the light over there against the cliff wall on the other side. Whatever we hit with the light casts a shadow on the cliff face (mostly rocky and small trees on it). The shadow (only the shadow) was huge, about 20 feet tall, and it was swaying back and forth, like a bear does when it's confused. Because of the bright light and the fog clashing together....we did not see what was actually casting the shadow. All three of us were still trying to figure out what the hell it could be, and then we heard trees snapping and popping as the shadow moved away from the light and moved up a very, very steep incline.”
            In Indiana, there aren’t many animals large and strong enough to break trees. So the men soon left the area and planned to return the next day. And Shane explained what they were thinking.
            “We were pretty shaken up,” he said. “So we left until daylight. We went fishing on Airline lake, and returned in the daytime to see if we could see rocks in the water for proof that we hadn't gone mad. The banks of the strip pits are very cliff-faced. In other words, there is only a drop-off. No incline, and it was covered with moss.”
            Looking back on the experience, Shane thinks he knows what it was that was throwing rocks at them that day.
            “Cows don't launch rocks. And a man can't throw a rock that size 50 yards either. All of us have grown up in the woods. I hear flack about it all the time when I talk about it.  But I never believed (but always wanted to) until that night.  It still freaks me out.”
            Sometimes a bigfoot encounter doesn’t involve an actual sighting, but you can’t explain what happened by any other means other than to decide to believe.
            “I try to discount bigfoot all that I can,  “ Shane laughed. “For sanity's sake. But the one thing that draws me back every time are the stories told by the Native Americans years and years ago.”
            Yes, something casts a twenty-foot high shadow and throws boulders from a cliff face? Hmmm! What could it be? *******DF






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