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Tuesday, December 1, 2020

Roger Patterson and Bob Gimlin Lost Interview

"On October 26, 1967, Roger Patterson and Bob Gimlin were interviewed on radio by Jack Webster in Vancouver, following the showing of the Patterson-Gimlin film at the University of British Columbia that same evening. Fortunately, John Green had a copy of the interview in his cassette tape collection. He graciously permitted a copy of the recording and all of his other cassette recordings as well. These will later be added to this channel. Until now, and after a long 53 years, the interview had not been made public." - The Sasquatch Archives

Here is the interview

Friday, March 27, 2015

Baby Bigfoot?

Baby Bigfoot Discovered in Patterson Film?

There seems to be a rather amazing discovery of a baby Bigfoot in the famous Patterson-Gimlin film.
It has caused a pretty good stir. So I decided to look into it more. As most of you know the Patterson film, which most just call Patty, has been analyzed and debated for over 40 years.

Could this have been there in our faces all this time but finally someone with a good eye caught it?

 Check out this short video I made.

Tuesday, November 19, 2013

Patty under the gun
Roger Patterson's Film - Under the Gun
Hoax Of The Century
Review by

By TCC Team Member Dorraine Fisher
Professional Writer, a nature and wildlife enthusiast who has written for many magazines. Get Dorraine's book The Book Of Blackthorne!



[ DF's Interview with Videographer John L. Johnsen can be found HERE ]
 
Review: Hoax Of The Century – The Movie
Examining A Controversial Documentary

I’m a bigfoot believer. So when I was recently given a copy of "Hoax Of The Century – The Movie by a friend who is also a bigfoot believer, I thought seriously about NOT watching it. This movie attempts to refute the validity of the famous Patterson-Gimlin film. How ridiculous is that, I thought? Everyone knows that film is real. Right? But then I had to ask myself why I didn’t want to watch the documentary.

The Patterson-Gimlin film, the one bigfoot film that nearly everyone is familiar with, is the considered The Holy Grail of bigfoot evidence. It’s the one most in the bigfoot community believe to be the real and true film footage. It sets the standard for the appearance of this creature that nearly every bigfoot researcher uses to determine the validity of sightings reports and other video footage to this day. How many times have we heard a report and asked the storyteller, "Did it look like Patty? Did it look like the creature in the Patterson-Gimlin film?" Patty, as she is well-known, is considered the one real bigfoot that we use for our frame of reference. She’s been analyzed by National Geographic. She had to be real. Right?

This documentary, not currently available on Amazon, and now sold almost exclusively on Tom Biscardi’s website, a product of Grendel Films is about an hour long, written by Tom Biscardi, and produced by Tom Biscardi and videographer, John L. Johnsen, and goes about the task of following the investigation of Greg Long, author of The Making of Bigfoot, in a very detailed account of how they believe the film was hoaxed.

It asks the question rarely asked before. Why has so much emphasis been placed on this film and none on the maker of the film? It attacks the less-than-stellar reputation of Roger Patterson himself, a man who was described by many around him as often unemployed, often broke, and looking for ways to make a fast buck. A man who was once arrested for failing to return a camera he had borrowed from a local camera shop; a man who was known to have associated with Ray Wallace, the famous Washington State footprint hoaxer.

It claims that Patterson borrowed money from several individuals to make the film, including a lady named Vilma Radford, interviewed in the movie and now deceased, that loaned him $700.00 with the promise that profits from the film would pay her interest above and beyond that amount. Even though Radford typed up a legal contract for both parties to sign, (a document that was revealed in the documentary) and after she was warned by others not to loan Patterson the money. And incidentally, she attested to the fact that she was never repaid.

But there were a couple of things in the film that were very interesting to me personally.

A man named Bob Heironimus claims to have worn the suit that Philip Morris, a Hollywood costume designer, claimed to have designed as a gorilla suit and claimed was modified by Patterson. Heironimus claims he did the "performance" for Patterson for $1000.00, and tells his account of how the events unfolded that day in 1967. But the most interesting part of his story is his demonstration of the "Patty walk." Heironimus is seen in the documentary walking across his yard to a shed, and his normal walk is strikingly similar to Patty’s walk in the film. Striking enough to make you go "Hmmm!"

And the second thing is that I’ve always questioned why, if it was a hoax, would Patterson choose to make this creature a female? And, as the movie claims, Roger had early associations with famous pioneering researcher/author John Green from Canada. Green had collected a lot of information about bigfoot to which Patterson would have had access. This would include the very detailed, historic account of William Roe with a female bigfoot back in 1955 near Jasper, Alberta, Canada. After his encounter, Roe presented a drawing that bears an eerie resemblance to subject in the PG film. Did Patterson use Roe’s drawing to fashion a female bigfoot costume? Or was Patty real because she resembled Roe’s description? The documentary claims that Roe’s visual account could have easily been used by Patterson to refashion his gorilla suit into something more realistic.

And that’s just the tip of the iceberg of what this documentary has to say. Every other argument we’ve ever made about the film being real is challenged here. Right down to the last detail. From the walk, to the elbow break, to the eye movement, etc. And it claims the PG film was embraced by the big name researchers at the time who knew that this "proof" of bigfoot could strengthen their own claims about the subject. It claims that the main motivating factor of all these key players in the bigfoot world choosing to believe Patterson’s claims was to make money.

John L. Johnsen’s collaboration with Tom Biscardi, a reputed hoaxer, would drive many to dismiss the film altogether. Could it be a complete fabrication by one accused of hoaxing himself? Absolutely. But, to be fair, it has an equal chance of being accurate and real based on the real witness interviews that are very detailed and backed up by others in Patterson’s hometown of Yakima, Washington.

But everything else aside, this documentary is well presented and thought provoking, and very thorough in the case it makes, whether you believe it or not. And it warrants a watch from any and all skeptics or anyone wanting to be well-rounded and objective about the subject of bigfoot.

And as I hesitated to watch it, and I didn’t like the story it had to tell, I knew I needed to keep some things in mind.

If the PG film was actually faked, what impact does that have on the community, and on bigfoot? What film evidence do we really have if not that? I have to admit it shook me a little to think about it. I felt for a minute like the very foundation of my beliefs was being stolen. But it’s important to remember that if the PG film is proved to be fake beyond a shadow of a doubt, that doesn’t prove in any way that bigfoot doesn’t exist. Far from it, because it doesn’t negate all the evidence that’s been collected by researchers over all these years and all their hard work in trying to find proof. All that work is completely relevant and important and it still stands up. Nothing can take that away.

But if you have a natural curiosity about this subject and you want to be very thorough in your bigfoot research, I recommend this film highly. You don’t have to like it. And you don’t have to agree with it. It’s just another side of the story. And, no matter what you end up thinking, it’s always good to hear the other side.
Rating: 5 out of 5
********DF
[ DF's Interview with Videographer John L. Johnsen can be found HERE ]





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Friday, May 24, 2013

Comparing bigfoot track castings.

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I was looking around over at the Bigfoot Encounters website and ran across this comparison photo.
I find it very telling. It is clear that the fake wood track is not the same as the other castings.
Here is the close up of the Jerry Crew Track from 1958 that clearly shows this is not made with the fake wooden track by Wallace.


Now here is the close up of the Bob Titmus track also from 1958 and again clearly not made with the fake wooden Wallace track.

And last is the Roger Patterson track from 1964 and again clearly not made with the Wallace wooden track. One should also note this was about 3 years before Patterson filmed the bigfoot type creature that we call Patty.

After looking at this comparison it is clear that the Ray Wallace fake track is very different that the others. The Patterson, Crew and Titmus tracks appear to be more like a human foot track and the alignment of the toes seems much more real or believable.
This is a good example for us to study and note the differences between the tracks and the similarities.

Thanks
~Tom~



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Friday, March 29, 2013



The Crypto Show | Anthropologist Dale Drinnon | Ep5


The Crypto Show - Special guest is Dale Drinnon. Dale is an Anthropologist and we talked about the Patterson-Gimlin film from 1967. This was a very good show and I had fun talking to Dale. So could it have been a man in a suit? Give it a listen.

Here is the episode.

Saturday, March 16, 2013

From our friends at Paranormal Geeks Radio

 
M.K. Davis is well known in Bigfoot circles for his stabilization of the Patterson-Gimlin (Patty) film.
In this interview, you will hear some exciting Bigfoot vocalization, and a lot of interesting commentary from M.K. Davis.
Sit back and enjoy Co-Host Sharon Day and Jim Heater's interview with M.K.!!

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Wednesday, September 5, 2012

* My apologizes to MK Davis, I did not know it was him who did work on this,Part of the video we used was some of his work,I spent hours looking at many videos from various youtube accounts, Never seen MK Davis on the account or Credit would have been given at the first. I did spend countless hours going frame by frame,zooming and trying to pull out details. I compared it to many different youtube Patterson videos. I did advance it by adding in the head turn and more. Once again my apologies to MK Davis.

Patty squatted down


So You Still Don’t Think The Patterson-Gimlin Film Is A Real Sasquatch?

The Crypto Crew Offers Some Reasons To Reconsider

By TCC Team Member Dorraine Fisher


            It’s a neverending debate. Is it fact or faked?

            But after the countless scientific studies that have been conducted on the famous Patterson-Gimlin bigfoot film shot in Bluff Creek, California back in 1967, it still hasn’t been disproven. But I’m always surprised to find how many people still believe it’s a hoax. Didn’t several people confess to wearing the suit that day? Yes, and that makes it easy for some to settle for the idea of it being a hoax when they don’t know all the facts about the film. The story runs quite a bit deeper than many imagine.

            There are numerous discrepancies. As the film has been studied over and over again, many details can be found that point to it being the real deal...if one bothers to look.

Patty's Toes are seen moving,original frames - photo from Themunnsreport.com


            Up and down movement of the creature’s toes is one. This kind of movement in a costume isn’t possible. The creature’s calf muscles flex as she walks; also not possible in a suit. Many have tried to duplicate this muscle movement in a suit and not accomplished it as yet. And the open and closing motion of the mouth is not possible if it’s someone wearing a mask. But the biggest problem with the idea of it being a suit is that human proportions and ape proportions are not the same. Apes have must longer arms and a much longer upper lip making it impossible for a human to fit properly into a suit such as the one in the film. Human arms would be too short and not able to function like a creature, and the mask would not fit a human properly...and a hoaxer certainly would not be able to move its mouth in a mask as it struggled with this inconvenience.

            Bob Hieronimous was one of the guys who confessed to wearing the suit that day. But the subject in the film was found to be at least 6.5 feet tall. Other studies have showcased the possibility she was closer to 7.5 feet tall. But either way, Bob H. wasn’t tall enough to wear a suit that big.

Patty's Butt Crack


            Another thing that’s rarely discussed is a portion of the film at the very beginning when the camera was shaking. Patty was squatted down on the ground, looking for food, defecating, or drinking or eating. But with a little enhancement to the film, her butt crack can be seen pretty clearly. This is a strong detail that wasn’t being created in costumes back in the 1960s. It would have taken a lot of time and meticulous work to create such a compelling detail.

            And lastly but certainly not least, on examining the ending of the film closer, a second creature, possibly a male, can be seen moving near the creek bed. It appears to be moving its arms and then moving its head to look back at Patty. Is this another guy in a suit?  Probably not. It would be hard enough to create one suit, let alone two. The main focus has always been on the subject, Patty, so there are many other details of the film that have been overlooked. *******
DF


Check out these videos for more details:






[Helpful Sources: The Munns Report , BFRO ,MK Davis]

Tuesday, September 4, 2012


One very clear figure and maybe more



“Patty” Wasn’t Alone That Day At Bluff Creek

A Fresh Look At The Patterson-Gimlin Film

By TCC Team Member Dorraine Fisher


            Most primates live in small groups. Should sasquatches be any different?
The famous Patterson-Gimlin film taken at Bluff Creek, California way back in 1967 was always said to be a film of a single sasquatch female walking across a dry creek bed and into the cover of the woods only to disappear. But if primates live in groups, especially females, was she really alone that day?
            The film has been subject to scrutiny for years, but no one has ever been able to completely debunk it. And no one has ever been able to create a costume that compares with the creature in the film. And since often only one of the creatures is spotted at a time, we’re conditioned to believe they are solitary creatures that travel and hunt alone.  But interestingly enough, no one has ever looked at anything else in the film except the main subject affectionately known by bigfoot enthusiasts as “Patty.”
            But if you watch the film more closely and look behind her on the hill, there seems to be other things going on. There are some very dark figures moving ever so slightly in the woods in the background. Could there be more of the creatures hiding in the brush? Could there be a whole group of them there?
Random youtube video of the Patterson film, 2nd figure is seen standing
            The Crypto Crew’s very own team leader Tom Marcum, a video and photo expert, decided to take a closer look at the background in the film. And one day he spent hours going frame by frame and working with still shots until he reached an astonishing conclusion.
            When he came across a frame that looked curious, he highlighted it to the maximum, only to discover at least three other figures that can be identified as possible primates in the dark woods.  And then there are many other dark figures that are not so recognizable that could possibly be others.
Zoom from the above random youtube video of the Patterson film
 
            But it became clear that Patty wasn’t alone at Bluff Creek that day. She had her whole family

 with her nearby.  Roger Patterson swore to the film’s authenticity till his dying day.

And Tom’s hard work gives it even more credibility.  ********
DF

©2012 The Crypto Crew






Wednesday, March 21, 2012

TCC - A couple of weeks ago I ran across the video below. I found it very interesting as it was a new angle for looking at the Famous Patterson film, But I had a question pop into my head almost immediately and it was "Could someone running hit the mark?"




Well a few day ago I was contacted by David Edwards about something totally unrelated to the above video. We had a good email exchange and as it turns out David is what I like to call a "science guy".
A science guy that has an interest in bigfoot. I will not go into his extensive education or his degrees but trust me he is a very credible professional person and does hold a few degrees. He was also willing to help us if we needed anything done from a "Science guy."
Anyway, I told him about the above video and I posed my question to him: "could a person running hit the mark?" and would he like to do an analysis of or about it. He said Yes and what follows is his findings.

[This is a guest post by David Edwards: The Science Guy]

David:
Responding to your question on the video and the gait. Could a person hit the mark by running?
Not running:


but yes for speed walking:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2urNVmKnEaQ (Embedding was disabled for this video)
Runners actually extend well above 90 degrees. Runners land on the mid to front part of the foot springing off with a burst of power in the next step.
Speed walkers, while lifting higher than casual walking, don't typically get up to a 90 degree angle, but midway between the two... like around 70-75 degrees. Speed walkers also land their leg on the heel and roll forward. They rely less on the power burst than just momentum of fast moving legs over shorter distance.
What's interesting about the speed walking angle is that Patty in real time is actually walking fast, not running. But even though the lift is comparable and the landing similar, the overall gait is not. Both speed-walkers and runners lock their leg at some point in the cycle. Patty has bent knees throughout. I think the high-stepping bent-knee gait is an adaptation of walking up and down uneven hills, like the clearance of her walk would allow her to step over boulders or to get better balance when taking a high step onto boulders. Keeping the knees bent allows for better balance.
 
So I think a speed walker could better replicate the leg lift and probably the overall gait, but it would take a lot of practice.
What stands out to me on Patty is not the usual mentions - breasts, leg hernia, jawline, etc. But lower limb proportion.
For humans, the ratio of hip to knee length versus knee to ankle length is relatively equal.
For gorillas, the hip to knee length is far greater than knee to ankle length; since they typically walk on all 4s that makes sense.
For Sasquatch, the hip to knee length is longer than knee to ankle length, but not as equally proportioned as a human. I think this proportion with their longer arms would allow them to run on all 4s if they had to and be more gracefully than humans on all 4s.
 
Like gorillas they have a massive upper body. So it seems they would need longer larger thighs & hamstrings to support their upper bodies when walking and muscular thighs would give them the burst of power to move quickly when on all 4s. People who do a lot of mountain climbing have very muscular legs.
 
I would think Bigfoot doesn't live long. Supporting so much upper body mass in a world of gravity must be killer on the back. Muscle helps, but it is still weight and promotes long-term wear of the spine. Gorillas can live long lives because they use all 4 limbs routinely to support their mass. I guess Bigfoot has a lot of back issues, herniated disks, and such. When we throw our backs, we can collect disability. When they throw their backs, it's likely quick death if left immobile. Back issues may also contribute to observed forward leaning walk.
 
There is a principle of physiology called SAID - Specific Adaptation to Imposed Demand. I think avoiding human contact is a physical adaptation for them. The imposed demand - bringing down game for food - requires conservation of strength and preservation of spinal cord to ensure Bigfoot can continue to hunt. Humans don't appear to be seen as food, but do demand a lot of interaction because of our relentless curiosity. So intentional avoidance of a high energy activity with little merit is possibly an energy conservation adaptation to ensure food gathering strength and mobility.
Hey, I think I just made a new theory. :-) 

-David Edwards - The Science Guy
 
TCC - Thanks to David for his analysis and help!
 
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Wednesday, March 7, 2012

TCC - Once again it is proven that Bob Heironimus  was not the "guy in the suit" in the Patterson film.


Uploaded by on Feb 23, 2012
"Here we explore the difference between our walk and whomever or whatever it was walking in the Patterson Bigfoot Film."
It does make me wonder if a person running would reach the 73 degrees mark?
I do not know who ThinkerThunker is but this seems to be a new approach to looking at the Patterson film. This should also become a learning video for all researchers.
Wednesday, March 07, 2012 No comments » by Thomas Marcum
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