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Showing posts with label Skunk ape. Show all posts
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Up for discussion today is yet another mystery game camera picture. Once again I can't remember where I found this image and I have no idea who to credit.

What I do remember, or at least I think I do, is that the picture was taken in Florida. The trees in the background look like something you might see in the sunshine state.

I seen where some people say this is a bigfoot or skunk ape, as it is know in Florida, while others say it is just a dog.

I have zoomed in and adjusted the lighting on the figure in question.

Let me first start by saying that I personally have a hard time believing most of the reports of a "bigfoot" type creatures that come out of Florida. I think probably the best possible evidence caught over the past several years was the Stacy Brown FLIR video, and some disputed it. I thought it was a good video and worth studying. Some of the top names in Bigfoot research also think it to be of a real Bigfoot/Skunk ape.

The reason I have a hard time believing most Skunk Ape evidence that comes out of Florida is that I think there is a lot of misidentification of said evidence. What many may not know is that there is a fairly large population of monkeys in Florida. I think often times tracks are mistaken for Bigfoot tracks when really they at monkey tracks.  In 2015, News 4 reported that the monkey population was spreading in Florida. That the population in Silver Springs State Park alone was over 200 monkeys. But that is not all. A trapper working under state permits reported capturing 772 monkeys from the park between 1998 and 2012. But there are still many more monkeys in Florida.

With that said let's continue on with this newest report.
Still Frame from video
Looks like there is a new video coming out of Florida that some think could be a bigfoot. Not much is known about the video but you see a dark figure walking left to right. The figure is moving rather slowly and appears to be in no hurry. The head of the figure is tilted forward and downward. The quality of the video is not great but it is not terrible either.

I will post the video and then offer my opinion and some enhanced still frames of the figure.
Here is the video.

Skunk ape?
I have not really gave this very much coverage because to me it is clearly a hoax and just the next stage in the "Bathing Bigfoot" story. But thanks to the fine folks over at  http://cryptozoologynews.com/ - we now have the unedited, HD version of the video. Not only that they have done a little investigating themselves and here is what they had to say about it.

"This is the original file as it was sent to us. We also interviewed the witness and that is currently the only one interview available....... You can hear the two subjects on the canoe laughing at the end. We have established the coordinates for the exact spot as well as other details.
In early January, as you probably remember, there was the photograph of that "Bigfoot" in the same swamp. It turned out to be a hoax, as expected from the start. What's strange is that this new video has now taken place at the same location....There is something about it that doesn't add up. It looks too human to us."

Here is the unedited video courtesy of Cryptozoology News

Now, If I might inject a little of my opinion about this, Notice there is no reaction from the people in the canoe, they are not excited, they are not scared, they really have no reaction at all. As for the "bigfoot" itself, it looks clumsy and seem to have difficultly stepping over the small downed tree at the first of the video.

Almost all Bigfoot sightings in Florida are nothing more than rogue monkeys. There is a large population of them. As for this video, it is nothing more than a guy in a suit carrying out stage two of the "bathing Bigfoot" hoax.

Will there be a stage 3?

A big thanks to Cryptozoology News for letting us use their video and information.


This post by Thomas Marcum, Thomas is the founder/leader of the cryptozoology and paranormal research organization known as The Crypto Crew. Over 20 years experience with research and investigation of unexplained activity, working with video and websites. A trained wild land firefighter and a published photographer, and poet.

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I hate to keep beating a dead gorilla but seeing as how I was up early this morning I thought I would do a little more research on the Bathing Bigfoot photo. This time I just did a search for "Gorilla Props", "Gorilla Masks" and a few other related searches. There is a pretty good selection of masks and at least this one prop (featured in the comparison photo) that resemble the bathing Bigfoot. If you get a chance do a few searches and see what you can find.

To me it would seem easy to apply a little white paint or digitally apply white to the head and chin of the prop and make it look like the one in the photo. In the comparison photo above the mouth looks a little different, so this may not be the exact some thing. Or it could even be a homemade version or something. If a prop was use or created like the one in the picture, it would be easy to place it in a swamp area and make it appear the subject was deep in a swamp. Is that what has happen here? I don't know for sure as I'm only speculating.

I also want to note that I never did get a reply back from John Rodriguez.  I had ask some basic questions about the photo but no reply as of yet.

After I posted the Bathing Bigfoot story, I took some heat for even bringing it up. I can understand that some get frustrated with what appears to be a hoax but to me, even if it is just a hoax, we should attempt to debunk it and find evidence to support our belief that it is a hoax. Just like with the Rick Dyer "Shooting Bigfoot" hoax, people kept working and digging for clues and evidence, even though they knew it was a hoax. In the end it all unraveled and more was know about Hank and who created it.

I also created a very short video featuring some of the enhancements  of the Bathing Bigfoot. Here it is in case you want to watch it.

In conclusion, I do think the Bathing Bigfoot photos are a hoax and have many questions about it. It is a current topic on many websites and it has even been on some TV news reports, so it is at least worthy of looking into.  I do not feel I have proven it to be a hoax but I think I have brought up some good questions and possibilities.
[Prop photo from - http://www.lynx-lair.com]

This post by Thomas Marcum, Thomas is the founder/leader of the cryptozoology and paranormal research organization known as The Crypto Crew. Over 20 years experience with research and investigation of unexplained activity, working with video and websites. A trained wild land firefighter and a published photographer, and poet.

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Bigfoot Bathing
Bigfoot bathing?
I was contacted by John Rodriguez, which by now most of you know him for his story and photo of what is being called a Bathing Bigfoot. The story ran on Huffington Post and there has been a lot of criticism of John Rodriguez and the photo. Former FBI agent and lead investigator of the Syfy Channel's "Fact or Faked: Paranormal Files" series, Ben Hansen offered some analysis of the photo and concluded it was a Photoshopped/digitally enhanced picture.

When Mr. Rodriguez emailed me, he also included some unreleased photos that he says he took that day. But before I get into those, I want to follow up on Ben Hansen's analysis. Over the last few years I have been able to speak via messaging with Ben Hansen and he is a really nice guy, so this is not a shot at him. I'm sure he has better sources and equipment than me. With that said I ran the Bathing Bigfoot photo on 3 different forms of software, software that helps detect if a photo has been altered in the form of Photoshop, here is the results of image 1 and image 2. None of the software identified the photos as having been altered with Photoshop.

In short, there were no glaring signs that the photo have been altered by Photoshop or any program.

There were also many asking for more photos and when Mr. Rodriguez emailed me, it seemed a little upset of the Photoshop claims. The photos where accompanied with this statement from him.

"I sent some photos I took to a researcher. They accused of photoshop which is totally untrue. Here are some bad one so thought had no value but maybe good for further evaluation."

Here are the other photos along with some enhancements and zooms I did.

Image 1

This is the first photo that Mr. Rodriguez attached to the email. It is basically the same as the one used in the Huffington Post article. The lighting is slightly different and there may be a slight angle difference. So there may not be much of interest in this photo but in the second image there is more to notice.

Image 2

In this photo the subject is a little more to the right and it appears Mr. Rodriguez was slightly closer or had zoomed his camera. There are some other interesting features that I will point out in enhanced photos below.

This is a zoom in of image 2. What I find interesting is the possibility that the mouth of the subject appears to be slightly opened. There also appears to be some duckweed on the head of the subject. If this is a living creature, could it have been ducking it's head under water? Was it bathing or could it have been possibly looking for food?

More enhancements below.

Comparison of the mouth from image 1 and 2.
Does it show that the mouth was slightly opened or is it just a trick of light and shadows? One thing that I should point out is the white strip of hair on the subjects head. It does not appear to be Photoshopped at all. Digital painting normally is noticeable in zooms.

More enhancements

Very tight zoom on the subjects face. Notice the eye, nose and mouth.

Also some have talked about the eye and the hair line.
So, I have made a couple of comparison photos using a gorilla with a odd looking hairline.

Just a quick comparison of a gorilla and the subject in the photo from Mr. Rodriguez. Also check out the nose. It is possible that the subject in the water looks a little different due to being in the water.

Eyes of a gorilla compared to the subject in the photos from Mr. Rodriguez.

Now for those who do not know the back story, let me summarize it quickly.

Back story overview
2015 began with a photo from John Rodriguez, a 66-year-old retired electrician, who claims that he was fishing Dec. 26 on the Hillsborough River near northeast Tampa, Florida, and came upon an incredible sight.

"I fish for gar in the river and I bring my camera to take pictures of the birds and what not. I heard a squishing sound, looked over and saw this thing walking through the water and crouch down in the duck weed. It did not look like a guy in a suit -- it was definitely an animal. I took this picture and got out of there as fast as I could."
"I've heard of Skunk Ape prints around Green Swamp [in Florida], but never anything like this," Rodriguez told HuffPost in an email. "My whole life, never seen anything like it."Rodriguez said he snapped the picture in the early afternoon at an area where the Hillsborough River becomes a cypress swamp

"I did not Photoshop this at all. Believe me or not," Rodriguez said. "When I plug in my memory card, it asks to import and opens in Photoshop. I just changed the name and saved. It seems like people get publicly crucified for coming forward with this kind of stuff."

Now, I will offer my opinion about the subject in Mr. Rodriguez photos.
First let me say, I do not think it to be a Bigfoot, if anything it is gorilla.
I can find no evidence that the photos are Photoshopped in any way, so that means that the subject was actually there. With that said, I do have many questions about the subject. What's with the white stripe? How deep is that swamp? Is it a living creature or a prop of some kind?  Could it just have been a pet or zoo gorilla?  So what is it? is it real? is it a hoax? is it something else? I really just don't know but I do not think it is a Bigfoot and is most likely a rubber movie prop type of thing.

In the end, we really don't know for sure about this subject but I would like to thank Mr. Rodriguez for contacting me and sharing the other photos. In the Bigfoot world, sharing possible photos of Bigfoot or possible evidence can cause a lot of grief.

Feel free to leave a comment on what you think about the subject.


[Source: Huffington Post]

This post by Thomas Marcum, Thomas is the founder/leader of the cryptozoology and paranormal research organization known as The Crypto Crew. Over 20 years experience with research and investigation of unexplained activity, working with video and websites. A trained wild land firefighter and a published photographer, and poet.

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Bigfoot up close?

This post by Thomas Marcum, Thomas is the founder/leader of the cryptozoology and paranormal research organization known as The Crypto Crew. Over 20 years experience with research and investigation of unexplained activity, working with video and websites. A trained wild land firefighter and a published photographer, and poet.

Here is another video of what is claimed to be a Bigfoot up close. The uploader goes by the name  Robert Cline. Here is what the description says about the encounter:

"On August 2nd, 2014 I spotted the Sasquatch / Skunk Ape in Oleta River State Park.

It was raining all afternoon and there was nobody in the park. I was riding along one of the smaller paths in the "Mountain Bike" region of Oleta. I was about 30 minutes into my ride when I heard some branches breaking along a "nature trail". I figured it was a small animal and I would go take a peek. I got off my bicycle and walked along the trail with my camera out and ready to capture the animal....

The Sasquatch seemed preoccupied with scavenging around and did not notice me. He seemed a little off, perhaps even fevered. The whole episode lasted for ten seconds, and changed my life.

The story sounds pretty good but the video to any normal person would seem like an obvious hoax using a common Bigfoot suit.
Here is the video.

Now, you would think that most people could see that this is a common Bigfoot suit sold in many locations and on the internet. Here is a picture of the suit.

Nothing in the Bigfoot World ever seems to be cut and dry. There seems to always be someone who will support the wildest of claims and the crappiest video. This video is no different.

As I was looking down at the comments, there were a few that called it out quickly as a hoax but there are some who believe it could be real.  Here is some screen shots of the comments I find most amusing.


See, this is the type of craziness we have to put up with. People who have seen a real Bigfoot, have found real evidence of the creature, we have to stomach stuff like this and try to remain tolerable.

What causes all of this? I would guess there are a few factors that causes the massive flooding of fake videos and such. The allure of getting on TV has to be a factor, I imagine, and the hopes of getting the "Finding Bigfoot" crew to come to your area. Another factor could the the idea of making money off of youtube views but that don't appear to be the case in this instants as I don't recall any ads being ran.  Maybe it's just a "look at me" type of thing.

What can we do? Well, we can try to be somewhat tolerable and help the ones we can and just let the rest wonder off.

As most of you know, this type of fake video is not going anywhere soon. There will be more and more as the popularity of Bigfoot grows.

Oh well, I guess the ones that know better can just try and laugh about it all, which is hard to do sometimes.

Have a great day.


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More Materials On Differentiating Bigfoot, Yeti, Skunk Ape, Wildman and Sasquatch

Above is a facial portrait and below is a footprint of the Eastern Bigfoot, which is often compared to a "Caveman" in appearance. The term Eastern Bigfoot has been used since the 1970s to discriminate the type, although there are problems with using that term since it has also been applied to the more apelike Skunk Ape (see below), with equal vigour and for about the same length of time. 

The footprints and build of this creature (Which I call the American Almas) are very much like Neanderthal fossils and so is the shape of the skull, face and braincase. They are burly creatures built like old-time professional wrestlers and with short bandy legs. Their arms turn out to be not particularly overlong in comparison to Caucasian Homo sapiens, but both hands and feet are large enough to seem outsized. Both hands and feet are squared-off in appearance. The top of the head is usually domed rather than peaked and one gets the impression of a head distinct from the shoulders 

The following photo is from Ohio and if genuine it would be one of these Eastern Bigfoots.

It seems to be running with unusual vigour and it has been suggested it would not be possible for a man in a suit to perform this action at such a great speed. The proportions look human enough. 


Eastern Bigfoot drawings from an article posted on the blog recently.

The profile is similar to the famous "March of fossil humans" from the Time-Life book Early Man.

The head-on view is a close match for the "Mecheny" Almas seen in Siberia.     

Two peculiarities are associated with the American Almas males: the first is that the crown of the head can have thinning hair, or be partly to wholly bald on top; the second is that they can have beards and moustaches ranging from just noticeable to full-beard-hanging-to-the-waist.

Whether or not these photographs represent real creatures, they DO represent what the witnesses are reporting. These reports do continue more rarely out to the West Coast, and then there are areas both in Northwest Canada and then again in Mexico and points South where they are counted as specific regular types reported in those areas. In Northwest Canada they are the BushMen and in South America they are the Didis and Maricoxis.

Blogger Jay from the companion blog Bizzare Zoology sent in this illustration tpo my Facebook wall. He said the "Wild Woman" illustrated on the house pole could be meant for one of my American Almases and he pasted the skull alongside for comparison. It looks like a good match to me.

Further to the south there are what Sanderson called The Little Red Men of the Bottomlands (or of the Mississippi delta) and wondered if the reports could be related to runaway orangutans (in 1961): soon after that, "Skunk ape" reports started coming in from Florida

There was some variation overall in the kind of apes they were said to look like, chimpanzees were alleged almost as commonly as orangutans. And yet the striking similarity to orangutans insited on  in all of the best reports and shown in photographs is very hard to discount or to overlook.

Myakka Florida Skunk Ape on Left Compared to Orangutan on Right


Fangs as illustrated on an internet Skunk Ape site 


"Monkey" Skull Unearthed in Texas Early May 2009.

Large Apelike creature on the loose as shown on Fox News and illustrated on the Cryptomundo site.

Below, Illustration of a "Sasquatch" actually based o Skunk Ape reports. The Skunk Apes can walk weither bipedally or quadrupedally on the ground, and it does seem they do so more frequently than normal apes usually do. 

El Reno Oklahoma "Ape Hand" print on Henhouse

Apelike Category Tracks

Upper Left Himalayan "Yeti", Upper Right Orang Pendek from Sumatra

Lower Right Chinese Yeren, Lower Left from Pennsylvania 

There is a great range in track shapes depending on how closely the big toe is clenched to the foot

Footprint cast for the Skunk Ape: in this example, the two smallest toes seem to have run together in casting. These tracks characteristically show an opposed big toe: more recently they are often said to resemble the Orang Pendek tracks from Sumatra and lately publicised. Below is a comparison of the-is kind of "Bigfoot" with the typical (Smaller) Yeti from the Himalayas. A close match in proportions and stance.This type of Yeti is ordinarily said to be the size of a teenager or a young man for the males, females much smaller.These Yetis typically live at lower altitudes in the jungles (where they are known under different names) and only rarely go over the mountains when they need to get from one valley to another, and that most likely because of feeding patterns and population pressures.


Ivan Sandersons' comparisons for the "REGULAR AND LARGE YETIS", the latter also being the same as the Sasquatch

Big Footprints, attributed to Sasquatch. From California, Huffington Post


 Museum reconstruction of Sasquatch


  Above and below, Witness' drawings. The typical West Coast Sasquatch

has a small pointed head which does not have a distinct neck or separation from the shoulders visible

Both arms and legs are thickly muscled and the hands reach as far down as the knees.

The eyes are small, round, dark, and placed close together, nose is flat and the ears are rarely seen.


Artwork from Utah Bigfoot site, above and below

Traditional Representations of Sasquatch on border below

"Peter O, Hoot" above and "Peter O, Staredown" below.


Life-sized Sasquatch Mockup, credit is indicated.


The Patterson film shows a creature that is entirely consistent with the usual descriptions and  footprints (Footprints as found and as shown in the film)


The shape of the Sasquatch (Above) is unmistakeably different than your typical brown bear standing up. The typical shape for the tracks is also unmistakeably different. 


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