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In case you missed Dale Drinnon on Monster Geeks Podcast, here is the show. It was a good one that covered a lot about Sea and Lake monsters and even some bigfoot stuff.

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This post by Thomas Marcum, Thomas is the founder/leader of the cryptozoology and paranormal research organization known as The Crypto Crew. Over 20 years experience with research and investigation of unexplained activity, working with video and websites. A trained wild land firefighter and a published photographer, and poet.

The Crypto Crew's Dale Drinnon is scheduled to be a guest on Monster Geeks Podcast this Friday!

Here is an overview of what the show will be about.
"Join us for Tonight show  lake monster or loch monster is a purported form of fresh-water-dwelling megafauna appearing in mythologyrumor, or local folklore, but whose existence lacks scientific support. A well-known example is the Loch Ness Monster. Lake monsters' depictions are often similar to some sea monsters. They are principally the subject of investigations by followers of the study of cryptozoology real or folklore.you decided."

=>>> Here is a link to this coming Fridays show - Click Here!

For those who are not familiar with Dale, Here is a little Bio about him.
Dale is an artist and a writer, has a degree in Anthropology with a background in Zoology and Paleontology, Anatomy and Comparative anatomy, and he has done both professional-levelations and cartooning.

Dale is a smart guy and is sure to bring insight to the subject of Sea monsters. Make sure to tune in and show your support!

Here is an old show Dale and I did almost a year ago about Patty from the Roger Patterson Film. This was when we were doing a Podcast - Might bring it back at some point.

So Good luck to Dale and Monster Geeks!

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why do some bigfoot stink
why do some bigfoot stink?

By TCC Team Member Dorraine Fisher
Professional Writer, a nature and wildlife enthusiast who has written for many magazines.

The Scent Of A Sasquatch
What’s That Smell All About?
By TCC Team Member  Dorraine Fisher


            With the now thousands of bigfoot sighting reports around North America, we can start to see patterns, and also differences in the types of reports in what people see, hear… and also smell.

So what’s that awful smell all about? And why doesn’t everyone who’s had a sighting report an odor when they have their encounter? Some report a smell, and some don’t. Great apes are known to emit an odor when they’re excited or feel threatened. Do sasquatches fall into that category? Is that all there is to it?  There are many and various thoughts on the matter, and each makes sense in its own right. But what’s the real answer? I asked a few experts in the community to try and shed some light on the subject. Like zoologist, Dale Drinnon.

“People do it too. I’ve noticed my body puts out a perfumy smell when I’m around a

woman I like, and a much more sour smell if I feel threatened. It’s more exaggerated in

 apes though.”

            “What exactly causes it?” I asked.

            “It comes out in the sweat and it’s produced by glands in the skin,” he explained. “A lot

of what people smell [during an encounter with sasquatch] is actually due to feces clinging to the

body hair. That can be fairly fresh or old and stale depending on how long it’s been there.”

“But the curious thing is that many report an almost skunk-like odor,” I said.

“That's sulfurous fumes and they can come from the large intestine,” he answered. 

“The smell resembles a wet animal with a skunky type of odor, but most folks describe it much worse,” says Crypto Crew researcher, Bobby Long. “My garbage cans outside are much worse.”  Bobby lives and tracks sasquatches in Oregon, a drier, more mountainous state, which brings me to the next theory.

Leon Drew, a bigfoot researcher from Colorado believes it may be a regional thing.

“I think the odor has to do with humidity and temperature.  My encounter had no odor at 30 feet of distance. I theorize that the Sasquatch odor is tied to sweat and perceived danger. I feel in the dry mountain areas the odor is less than, say, Washington State and the Swamp Ape in the Southeast,” he told me.

“Have you ever smelled one during your research?”

“I think I smelled one earlier this year when we were scouting for camping area. It was a skunk-musk-like smell and it moved as we moved.”

And these theories explain it to some degree, but other interviewees suggested that maybe a sasquatch can create this smell at will. There are many animals that have the ability to do this and why should a sasquatch not also have this skill? Certain snakes like copperheads and pythons do it. Foxes, hyenas, and wolverines also. Some use it as a defense mechanism, like stinkbugs and skunks, while others seem to just emit an odor when they’re agitated or stressed.

But there was still a curious element left here to ponder. How do we explain the skunk-like element to the smell? Is that significant? Or just some kind of coincidence?  

This brings me to the last theory and the most interesting one I’ve heard posed yet that came from JC Johnson, a cryptid investigator with the organization, Crypto Four Corners, in the Four Corners Region of New Mexico. And he has the video footage to back up his idea.

            “It’s just my observations,” he said when he attempted to explain why he’s come to these conclusions.  The video chronicles an investigation in which a supposed sasquatch extracted a skunk from a drain pipe. In what seemed to be quite a desperate attempt, the creature punched a hole in what appeared to be a fiberglass or plastic drain pipe to extract the animal from its hiding place. The body of a skunk had been found nearby earlier that day with only the scent sack removed, which prompted the investigation of this local resident farm. JC gleaned from the information collected on that investigation, and from others, that sasquatches may harvest skunk scent glands in order to mask the smell of their young, and deter any predators.

That would certainly do it. Everyone knows that a skunk killed on the road is rarely eaten by anything, including the crows and buzzards. And humans and other animals usually just try to get away from it. So why would a sasquatch want to kill one and work so hard to get the job done?

 “We have reason to believe that jaguars are back in this area again and may be threatening the young of the local wildlife population,” JC explained.

This event took place in a semi-rural area where human presence is prevalent and they believe jaguars are now prowling. When new animals migrate and introduce themselves to a new area, it always creates new problems for the wildlife that’s already there. In this case, sasquatches.

So if we put all the pieces together, it all makes sense. There could be many factors that determine the smell in so many sightings reports.  Maybe it’s one of them; maybe it’s all of them. But JC also added that if you suspect sasquatch activity in your area and there are large predators there also, you might add checking the local skunk population to your research agenda. And maybe we can all help put the pieces together in this.

But watch the video and see what you think. *******DF

[Special Thanks to: Bobby Long, Leon Drew, Jc Johnson, Dale Drinnon for contributing to the article]

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The Crypto Crew page recently had an article featuring this still from a video by Joe Black (Scott Carpenter) and when I saw it, it struck me that the facial section of it much resembled the facial skeleton of a Neanderthal man.

 I hardly think this was accidental and it must have either been done as a deliberate copy or else it is a living creature that is presumably related. And it seems to have a thick bushy mop of hair on top of its head also. How large the mass of hair is is hard to tell.

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More Materials On Differentiating Bigfoot, Yeti, Skunk Ape, Wildman and Sasquatch

Above is a facial portrait and below is a footprint of the Eastern Bigfoot, which is often compared to a "Caveman" in appearance. The term Eastern Bigfoot has been used since the 1970s to discriminate the type, although there are problems with using that term since it has also been applied to the more apelike Skunk Ape (see below), with equal vigour and for about the same length of time. 

The footprints and build of this creature (Which I call the American Almas) are very much like Neanderthal fossils and so is the shape of the skull, face and braincase. They are burly creatures built like old-time professional wrestlers and with short bandy legs. Their arms turn out to be not particularly overlong in comparison to Caucasian Homo sapiens, but both hands and feet are large enough to seem outsized. Both hands and feet are squared-off in appearance. The top of the head is usually domed rather than peaked and one gets the impression of a head distinct from the shoulders 

The following photo is from Ohio and if genuine it would be one of these Eastern Bigfoots.

It seems to be running with unusual vigour and it has been suggested it would not be possible for a man in a suit to perform this action at such a great speed. The proportions look human enough. 


Eastern Bigfoot drawings from an article posted on the blog recently.

The profile is similar to the famous "March of fossil humans" from the Time-Life book Early Man.

The head-on view is a close match for the "Mecheny" Almas seen in Siberia.     

Two peculiarities are associated with the American Almas males: the first is that the crown of the head can have thinning hair, or be partly to wholly bald on top; the second is that they can have beards and moustaches ranging from just noticeable to full-beard-hanging-to-the-waist.

Whether or not these photographs represent real creatures, they DO represent what the witnesses are reporting. These reports do continue more rarely out to the West Coast, and then there are areas both in Northwest Canada and then again in Mexico and points South where they are counted as specific regular types reported in those areas. In Northwest Canada they are the BushMen and in South America they are the Didis and Maricoxis.

Blogger Jay from the companion blog Bizzare Zoology sent in this illustration tpo my Facebook wall. He said the "Wild Woman" illustrated on the house pole could be meant for one of my American Almases and he pasted the skull alongside for comparison. It looks like a good match to me.

Further to the south there are what Sanderson called The Little Red Men of the Bottomlands (or of the Mississippi delta) and wondered if the reports could be related to runaway orangutans (in 1961): soon after that, "Skunk ape" reports started coming in from Florida

There was some variation overall in the kind of apes they were said to look like, chimpanzees were alleged almost as commonly as orangutans. And yet the striking similarity to orangutans insited on  in all of the best reports and shown in photographs is very hard to discount or to overlook.

Myakka Florida Skunk Ape on Left Compared to Orangutan on Right


Fangs as illustrated on an internet Skunk Ape site 


"Monkey" Skull Unearthed in Texas Early May 2009.

Large Apelike creature on the loose as shown on Fox News and illustrated on the Cryptomundo site.

Below, Illustration of a "Sasquatch" actually based o Skunk Ape reports. The Skunk Apes can walk weither bipedally or quadrupedally on the ground, and it does seem they do so more frequently than normal apes usually do. 

El Reno Oklahoma "Ape Hand" print on Henhouse

Apelike Category Tracks

Upper Left Himalayan "Yeti", Upper Right Orang Pendek from Sumatra

Lower Right Chinese Yeren, Lower Left from Pennsylvania 

There is a great range in track shapes depending on how closely the big toe is clenched to the foot

Footprint cast for the Skunk Ape: in this example, the two smallest toes seem to have run together in casting. These tracks characteristically show an opposed big toe: more recently they are often said to resemble the Orang Pendek tracks from Sumatra and lately publicised. Below is a comparison of the-is kind of "Bigfoot" with the typical (Smaller) Yeti from the Himalayas. A close match in proportions and stance.This type of Yeti is ordinarily said to be the size of a teenager or a young man for the males, females much smaller.These Yetis typically live at lower altitudes in the jungles (where they are known under different names) and only rarely go over the mountains when they need to get from one valley to another, and that most likely because of feeding patterns and population pressures.


Ivan Sandersons' comparisons for the "REGULAR AND LARGE YETIS", the latter also being the same as the Sasquatch

Big Footprints, attributed to Sasquatch. From California, Huffington Post


 Museum reconstruction of Sasquatch


  Above and below, Witness' drawings. The typical West Coast Sasquatch

has a small pointed head which does not have a distinct neck or separation from the shoulders visible

Both arms and legs are thickly muscled and the hands reach as far down as the knees.

The eyes are small, round, dark, and placed close together, nose is flat and the ears are rarely seen.


Artwork from Utah Bigfoot site, above and below

Traditional Representations of Sasquatch on border below

"Peter O, Hoot" above and "Peter O, Staredown" below.


Life-sized Sasquatch Mockup, credit is indicated.


The Patterson film shows a creature that is entirely consistent with the usual descriptions and  footprints (Footprints as found and as shown in the film)


The shape of the Sasquatch (Above) is unmistakeably different than your typical brown bear standing up. The typical shape for the tracks is also unmistakeably different. 


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The Crypto Show - Special guest is Dale Drinnon. Dale is an Anthropologist and we talked about the Patterson-Gimlin film from 1967. This was a very good show and I had fun talking to Dale. So could it have been a man in a suit? Give it a listen.
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This is a youtube video discussing the supposed announcement of a body of a Bigfoot upon its first examination by supposedly qualified people:
Now the question is, are the supporters of this alleged incident providing trustworthy reports of their claim?
Well, the first thing I had noticed was that the illustration is ripped off of another report from Canada and reproduced without credit: I had previously posted the report and the illustration on my blog with due credit and so I recognized it. So the representation that this is "Their" Bigfoot body is already fraudulent and a deliberate attempt at deception while using somebody else's illustration in a manner the artist certainly would not have intended.Then there is a protracted matter of why their expert was one Musky Allen (of no especial credentials and no especial standing in either the Scientific nor yet in the Bigfooting community) instead of a previously-proposed Dr Don Jeffrey Meldrum. The answer was interesting in that it pointed up further lies and evasions.

So, what did Alan Musky really say about Dr. Meldrum? His latest statement sounds as if there had been a big misunderstanding, but clearly that was not the case. Here is what Alan Musky posted on a Facebook page called Bigfoot Warz yesterday : (click photo to enlarge)

 And then his attempt to "Correct" the statement on FB/FB

And then there is what Dr Meldrum posted in reply

It definitely seems that Musky lied about his communications to Dr. Meldrum and that Dr. Meldrum called him on the allegation. It seems Dr Meldrum carried the day and that furthermore Musky is not to be trusted, as Dr Meldrum says in his statement.
This particular exchange does not question Rick Dyer directly, but it does completely undermine the reliability of the witness he called upon for support of his position and expert testimony, when obviously he provides neither. Without Musky's word on it, we are left with Dyer's word alone, and actually that much alone is not good enough. He is already suspect from his involvement in the 2008 hoax when a different supposed Bigfoot body turned out to be a costume in an abandoned refrigerator with some entrails added to give the exhibit the air of authority.
[Photos source: Facebook.com, Melissa Hovey, Brad Vincent jr]
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